PFF: Saints Regular Season Grades

papz · 01-05-2018, 12:45 PM

I'm bet if you move Bell up a few yards, you'll see his rating jump up quite a bit.

jeanpierre · 01-05-2018, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I'm bet if you move Bell up a few yards, you'll see his rating jump up quite a bit.

You're right, he gives too much cushion with his limited coverage skills...

hagan714 · 01-06-2018, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by papz

I'm bet if you move Bell up a few yards, you'll see his rating jump up quite a bit.

Slot CB out wide is our biggest issue. Kenny can not hang out there.

Slot CB inside and you have the same issue with Bell and PJ trying to fill that role.

after a 43NT slot CB and cover S is top on my wish list.

Back on topic

Adding a true 43 NT is #1 on my wish list. That one position anchored down would help the entire defense and Jordans numbers would be even sicker than they are now.

K Major · 01-06-2018, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Slot CB out wide is our biggest issue. Kenny can not hang out there.

Slot CB inside and you have the same issue with Bell and PJ trying to fill that role.

Agreed.

It appears KV isn't a safety with coverage skills. Saints drafted a slot guy with hopes he would blossom into a safety

. 5, 6 years in and he's not going to turn into Troy Polomolu. I'd rather a CB to play slot.

Do you see the Saints FO addressing the need for a TRUE slot CB in FA?

jeanpierre · 01-06-2018, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Agreed.

It appears KV isn't a safety with coverage skills. Saints drafted a slot guy with hopes he would blossom into a safety . 5, 6 years in and he's not going to turn into Troy Polomolu. I'd rather a CB to play slot.

Do you see the Saints FO addressing the need for a TRUE slot CB in FA?

True, the results haven't always been there in his coverage lately, but can we say this definitively?

Even now that we know his groin muscle was complete torn from the bone it was anchored?

Does Kenny V become the next All-Pro Saints, somewhere else?

Is there a better option in the upcoming Free Agency or Draft?

K Major · 01-07-2018, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Even now that we know his groin muscle was complete torn from the bone it was anchored?

Does Kenny V become the next All-Pro Saints, somewhere else?

Is there a better option in the upcoming Free Agency or Draft?

No. Kenny V will NOT become an All Pro elsewhere. He's average. Nothing more.

Yes, there are better options out there (see Hagan post below yours).

hagan714 · 01-07-2018, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Agreed.

It appears KV isn't a safety with coverage skills. Saints drafted a slot guy with hopes he would blossom into a safety . 5, 6 years in and he's not going to turn into Troy Polomolu. I'd rather a CB to play slot.

Do you see the Saints FO addressing the need for a TRUE slot CB in FA?

funny you asked

CB options that may or may not be out there

Does Crawley have inside-outside flexibility?

NO
TJ Carrie CB/FS Raiders (27) 5115 205 4.43 #38 Rd7 2014
He has become one of the NFLs most reliable slot CB this year

Aaron Colvin CB Jaguars (26) 5113 177 4.51 Rd4 2014
Resign Marqise Lee or Aaron Colvin ? locker room fit?

Yes
Kyle Fuller CB Bears (25) 5116 190 4.40 Rd1 2014
Fuller had a Pro Bowl-worthy seasons

Rashaan Melvin CB Colts (28) 6016 192 4.42 UDFA 2013
sign for a shorter deal in the off season after a breakout season

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Is there a better option in the upcoming Free Agency or Draft?

SS options that may or may not be out there

Kenny Vaccaro = 4 yrs, $21,758,497?

Morgan Burnett SS/FS/CB Packers (28) 6013 209 4.51
Beast but is Josh Jones the future?

Deone Bucannon LB/SS Cardinals (25) 6010 211 4.49 Rd.1 2014
Misused at ILB now? cards will option him but if not, i am

Mark Barron IB/SS Rams (28) 6010 222 4.54 Rd1 2012
FA? hard to believe

Eric Reid FS/SS (26) 49ers 6012 213 4.53 Rd1 2013
locker room fit? doubt it

Dontae Johnson FS/CB 49ers (26) 6021 208 4.45 Rd4 2014
Misused solid prospect with upside still

Keith McGill S/CB Raiders (28) 6033 211 4.44 Rd4 2014
good ST and so so else were

I am keeping an eye on raider FA. DA is now seeing some of his picks becoming FA

Address the slot and watch Cams sack numbers increase.

add a run stuffing double team eating 43NT and see even a bigger impact on Cams game

DaQuan Jones DT/DE Titians (25) 6036 322 5.35 #90 R4 2014

Draft I am leaning heavily towards

Kyzir White SS/OLB West Virginia 6025 215 4.56 #8 Sr
Enforcer that has made great strides covering in the slot this year

Levi Wallace CB Alanama 5111 185 4.42 #39 Sr
Hard worker that has played every position in the secondary and is just a solid baller

My dream world would have youth eating up the cap

2018
Morgan Burnett SS/FS/CB Packers (28) 6013 209 4.51
DaQuan Jones DT/DE Titians (25) 6036 322 5.35 #90 R4 2014
Kyle Fuller CB Bears (25) 5116 190 4.40 Rd1 2014

2019
Deone Bucannon SS/FS/LB Cardinals (25) 6010 211 4.49 Rd.1 2014

Bye bye KV and VB

ain't going to happen

Guess what my next blog is about

01-05-2018, 05:31 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: PFF: Saints Regular Season Grades Originally Posted by papz I'm bet if you move Bell up a few yards, you'll see his rating jump up quite a bit. You're right, he gives too much cushion with his limited coverage skills... hagan714 and Rugby Saint II like this.

01-06-2018, 08:30 AM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: PFF: Saints Regular Season Grades Originally Posted by papz I'm bet if you move Bell up a few yards, you'll see his rating jump up quite a bit. Slot CB out wide is our biggest issue. Kenny can not hang out there. Slot CB inside and you have the same issue with Bell and PJ trying to fill that role. after a 43NT slot CB and cover S is top on my wish list. Back on topic Adding a true 43 NT is #1 on my wish list. That one position anchored down would help the entire defense and Jordans numbers would be even sicker than they are now. K Major likes this.
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01-06-2018, 12:12 PM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: PFF: Saints Regular Season Grades Originally Posted by hagan714 Slot CB out wide is our biggest issue. Kenny can not hang out there. Slot CB inside and you have the same issue with Bell and PJ trying to fill that role. Agreed. It appears KV isn't a safety with coverage skills. Saints drafted a slot guy with hopes he would blossom into a safety . 5, 6 years in and he's not going to turn into Troy Polomolu. I'd rather a CB to play slot. Do you see the Saints FO addressing the need for a TRUE slot CB in FA? hagan714 likes this.

01-06-2018, 08:32 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: PFF: Saints Regular Season Grades Originally Posted by K Major Agreed. It appears KV isn't a safety with coverage skills. Saints drafted a slot guy with hopes he would blossom into a safety . 5, 6 years in and he's not going to turn into Troy Polomolu. I'd rather a CB to play slot. Do you see the Saints FO addressing the need for a TRUE slot CB in FA? True, the results haven't always been there in his coverage lately, but can we say this definitively? Even now that we know his groin muscle was complete torn from the bone it was anchored? Does Kenny V become the next All-Pro Saints, somewhere else? Is there a better option in the upcoming Free Agency or Draft? hagan714 likes this.

01-07-2018, 10:55 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: PFF: Saints Regular Season Grades Originally Posted by jeanpierre Even now that we know his groin muscle was complete torn from the bone it was anchored? Does Kenny V become the next All-Pro Saints, somewhere else? Is there a better option in the upcoming Free Agency or Draft? No. Kenny V will NOT become an All Pro elsewhere. He's average. Nothing more. Yes, there are better options out there (see Hagan post below yours).

01-05-2018, 12:45 PM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: PFF: Saints Regular Season Grades I'm bet if you move Bell up a few yards, you'll see his rating jump up quite a bit. jeanpierre likes this.

01-07-2018, 10:39 AM	#7
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: PFF: Saints Regular Season Grades Originally Posted by K Major Agreed. It appears KV isn't a safety with coverage skills. Saints drafted a slot guy with hopes he would blossom into a safety . 5, 6 years in and he's not going to turn into Troy Polomolu. I'd rather a CB to play slot. Do you see the Saints FO addressing the need for a TRUE slot CB in FA? funny you asked CB options that may or may not be out there Does Crawley have inside-outside flexibility? NO TJ Carrie CB/FS Raiders (27) 5115 205 4.43 #38 Rd7 2014 He has become one of the NFLs most reliable slot CB this year Aaron Colvin CB Jaguars (26) 5113 177 4.51 Rd4 2014 Resign Marqise Lee or Aaron Colvin ? locker room fit? Yes Kyle Fuller CB Bears (25) 5116 190 4.40 Rd1 2014 Fuller had a Pro Bowl-worthy seasons Rashaan Melvin CB Colts (28) 6016 192 4.42 UDFA 2013 sign for a shorter deal in the off season after a breakout season Originally Posted by jeanpierre Is there a better option in the upcoming Free Agency or Draft? SS options that may or may not be out there Kenny Vaccaro = 4 yrs, $21,758,497? Morgan Burnett SS/FS/CB Packers (28) 6013 209 4.51 Beast but is Josh Jones the future? Deone Bucannon LB/SS Cardinals (25) 6010 211 4.49 Rd.1 2014 Misused at ILB now? cards will option him but if not, i am Mark Barron IB/SS Rams (28) 6010 222 4.54 Rd1 2012 FA? hard to believe Eric Reid FS/SS (26) 49ers 6012 213 4.53 Rd1 2013 locker room fit? doubt it Dontae Johnson FS/CB 49ers (26) 6021 208 4.45 Rd4 2014 Misused solid prospect with upside still Keith McGill S/CB Raiders (28) 6033 211 4.44 Rd4 2014 good ST and so so else were I am keeping an eye on raider FA. DA is now seeing some of his picks becoming FA Address the slot and watch Cams sack numbers increase. add a run stuffing double team eating 43NT and see even a bigger impact on Cams game DaQuan Jones DT/DE Titians (25) 6036 322 5.35 #90 R4 2014 Draft I am leaning heavily towards Kyzir White SS/OLB West Virginia 6025 215 4.56 #8 Sr Enforcer that has made great strides covering in the slot this year Levi Wallace CB Alanama 5111 185 4.42 #39 Sr Hard worker that has played every position in the secondary and is just a solid baller My dream world would have youth eating up the cap 2018 Morgan Burnett SS/FS/CB Packers (28) 6013 209 4.51 DaQuan Jones DT/DE Titians (25) 6036 322 5.35 #90 R4 2014 Kyle Fuller CB Bears (25) 5116 190 4.40 Rd1 2014 2019 Deone Bucannon SS/FS/LB Cardinals (25) 6010 211 4.49 Rd.1 2014 Bye bye KV and VB ain't going to happen Guess what my next blog is about SmashMouth and K Major like this.
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