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:no_no: I read the stuff in their forum and they must be :rauch06: crack if they think they will get Howard and our 3rd rd pick for 1st rd #20

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i cant say i hate that idea. we could then trade one of our first for a second and third. maybe even another 5th. i dont mind it. i dont think they would either

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Do it....#16 and #20 we could move into the top10 probably around 9 or 10. DJ anyone???

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I will rather get a 2nd rd straight up, instead having to go the route of trying to sale a 1st rd for more picks.

reason:

1. You\'re on the clock and we can end up not trading.
2. they\'re alot of value in the third.
3. they\'re better off waiting during the draft.
4. players are too much of a gamble of being a Bust at #20

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Yea this would suk huh
#16-Thomas Davis
#20-Jammal Brown
#40-Barrett Rudd

anyone wit me????

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I can\'t see going that route again.........feel too much like another Sullivan ........now if he drop to 16 I am all for it

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I can understand ur concern, especially after fatboy, but i don\'t think its fair to compare DJ to fatboy.

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I feel if they were so concern at LB they should\'ve went after Sharper or Simmon during FA

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from what i have read its a good idea this year to gain picks in the second and third round. if we can do that im all for it. even if we just draft to number ones im all for it. packaging those picks and moving up im not for in any case at all

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I just don\'t think that DJ will work well for us especially if he shoots blocks like they say because unless something drastic happens with our D-Line he will have a lot of free linemen looking for him. The only way I say we draft him is if he falls to us. If Rogers or Jones falls to us I think that will be a must pick.

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The bottom line is this...the Saints will be getting close to market value for him. Face it, Darren Howard is an above average player and I wouldnt mind having him around another year, but the Saints have a lot of holes and to get two first rounders, your options are countless. If someone you want is there, take him, if not, trade down and pick up more picks. I think it is a great idea.

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:weepy: pleeez don\'t give away howard and a 3rd for a #20. I can\'t see one player in this draft worth it nor can I see 2 players at 16 & 20 worth the risk. not even DJ

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So you would rather him walk away next year for nothing? You know they cant franchise him again next year with deals for McAllister and Bentley upcoming. Not to mention McKenzie. The best the Saints can do is get something close to value for him, use the money to redo McKenzie, lock up Deuce and LeCharles...and maybe grab one or two guys out of the draft. That seems fair to me given the Saints situation.

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I dont think that would be that bad of an idea. That would put DH value at 670pts. Higher than PBuch but not as high at the 720pts i mentioned earlier. I think it is close though.

I like the idea of

16- Davis
20-Brown/Barnes
40-BPA

Dont think trading up would have good value. Its all contengent on who is there, risers and fallers, because we all know that someone will fall and someone will be picked before everyone thinks.

I dont like the idea of not haveint a 3rd though, bc i wouldnt mind seeing A. Macpherson taken there, but he amy fall to 4th rd. There are others that will still be available in the 3rd that could contribute.

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I think if we could get a 1st round pick for Darren, that would be awesome! 2 first-rounders is pretty solid and I think we would be able to address two positions (LB and OT, or LB and CB). However, I don\'t think that trading up with two first rounders to get a higher first rounder would be a good idea. For some reason I just can\'t get my mind off of that sullivan trade. At the time, I thought Sullivan would be good, but I didn\'t think that he was worth two first rounders; I don\'t think anybody in this draft is...

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I truly believe they can recieve at the very least with Dallas or any other team a second rd. pick w/out giving up a 3rd during the draft. Then they could pick or trade that 2nd rd pick.

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But wouldn\'t you rather get another first round draft pick and only have to give up a third round pick? That makes no sense to say that you\'d rather not have a first rounder, but take a 2nd so that you could keep a third round pick. The first round means better players, isn\'t that what we\'re trying to do here? If we had two first rounders and a second round pick I think we\'d be in pretty damn good shape, even without a third round pick.

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I don\'t feel we should have to give up a third & DH for 20. I just don\'t see Kaliff Barnes, Jammal Brown or any other player you can pick at #20 worth DH (a proven above average player) & a 3rd. That is how I am looking at it. Like I said B4 i\'d rather at worst just a 2nd rd pick w/out losing a 3rd. I mean that is where we had selected Howard in the 1st place.


a simple way to look at it i\'ll prefer 4 more players instead of 3
[Edited on 22/4/2005 by nola_swammi]

[Edited on 22/4/2005 by nola_swammi]

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OK I know this crap is all just opinion, but just think about this for a second. Darren Howard right now is a backup. OK, just let that sink in.

Next, 95% of the time, a player drafted in the third round will never be as good as a player drafted in the first round.

Also, the majority of the star players in the NFL were former first round picks. First rounders are just usually going to be better players than third rounders. Now if we draft Barnes or Brown they have a very good chance of become starters at least, and Pro-Bowl type players at best. In comparison to having the chance to draft a STUD, it just doesn\'t make sense to throw that option away to keep a pick that will most likely be used to draft a guy who will probably be a permanent backup.

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Next, 95% of the time, a player drafted in the third round will never be as good as a player drafted in the first round.

I will like for to see statics on that... It hard for me to believe 95% more like 85% lol, however 2nd rd is a whole differ story more good player are found in the second and BIGGER BUSTS or found in 1st I prefer (1)1st, (2)2nd & (1)3rd

[Edited on 22/4/2005 by nola_swammi]

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Wouldn\'t you prefer (2) 1st & (1) 2nd???? And benefit from the extra cap space freed up from getting rid of Howard?

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Its not about whether or not Darren Howard is better than whomever we select at pick 20. The important thing is can we get a player or players who would help the team more with the pick(s). I love Darren Howard and i wouldnt mind keeping him, but the truth is, if we dont get anything for him now, we wont get anything at all next year when he walks.
Take what you can get and hope you are lucky enough to get someone who can make an impact.

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nola_swammi was assuming we trade Howard to Dallas for their 2nd rounder, so there would be no further cap relief.
Still, nola_swammi, you say you don\'t think Jammal Brown is worth Howard and a 3rd - who will be there in the 2nd round that is worth Howard straight up? Kevin Burnett? Bryant McFadden?
I\'m not happy to lose Howard, but it\'s a combination of the players you get for him and the cap relief. Getting a 1st while giving up a third is the better scenario. The Draft Pick Value Board I use - and I think these boards are useful - values Howard at 670 points, the Cowboys\' 2nd rounder is only worth 480 points. I agree that in this draft, the value of picks in the 2nd and 3rd round is slightly bigger than usual relative to that of 1st round picks, but not so much that the 190 points advantage is made up.

If you could get (with 16 and 20) two of these players: Jammal Brown, Thomas Davis, Carlos Rogers and pick up the best available OLB in the 2nd round, I\'d be happy with the first day.

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I wonder why? :D

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good job going to the value board nc...

i rate howard as a low 1st to high 2nd: somewhere between 500-750 pts.

#20 (850pts) - #82 (180pts)= 670 pts
#42= 480 pts
getting the 1st rounder is a net 190 pts better. that is equal a mid 3rd rounder. it would take a 2nd & 3rd rounder to equal the first deal (about like the buchanon deal) but the boys don\'t have a 3rd.

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For those who say \"but they have to take whatever they can get for Howard...they can\'t possibly keep him!\" I repost this entry made by probably one of the most respected members (although an infrequent poster now, as he\'s actually been hired by an NFL franchise in some capacity and his own sense of ethics sort of limit what he thinks he should post) over at SaintsReport.com. I don\'t think he\'ll mind.

Good afternoon guys,

I dont want to be one of these \"I have a source but cant tell you\" guys but I felt the people had a right to know whats going on.

I dont know if it is a smokescreen or what, but apparently New Orleans is saying they have a contigency plan should Darren Howard not be traded Saturday.

That plan will be to sign him to a 6-year $33 million with a $14 million bonus that is two-tiered into two 7 million payments with a base salary of 804k in year 1.

Darren gets paid the same, but his cap number gets lowered to about $1.9 million.

The second portion will be written up as a roster bonus that will be triggered in April of 2006 giving them trade flexibility next year.

Again, not sure if they are using this as a threat, or if this is indeed true. Nevertheless, I hope this eases some people\'s minds about the team being left under the bus should Darren not be dealt this weekend.

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let me see if i got this right? 750(howard) -180(3rd) =930

930(dallas) vs 850(NO)

How many points will a medium range 2nd? 420... I think

(2nd rd.)420 + 130(3rd rd)=550pts


750 vs 550

ok...I now understand your logic but I am saying they\'re other teams that will bite on Howard during the draft, possibility for a 1st. I say I will take the risk. If Loomis kneel to the Cowboys other teams will call his bluff.


[Edited on 22/4/2005 by nola_swammi]

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look yourself...
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/6330687
420

or howard 500+180. my mid range 625+180= 705=#26

[Edited on 22/4/2005 by LKelley67]

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Dropping to 16 won\'t happen.

You can\'t compare to Sullivan. Sullivan was known for having motivation problems before he was drafted.

SFIAH