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The thought occurred to me that the Saints may make a move by releasing Fleecer later this year after training camp, depending on the progress of all of the rookie TEs.

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Realistically, Fleecer plays this one year and he's out. Nonetheless, his production has not warranted his compensation, heretofore. Never can tell, though, if "The Wozinator" and Yelder show tremendous promise. There is reason SP has brought in so many TEs to evaluate.

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It looks like its actually more expensive to cut him than to keep him.

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I looked a while back and I'm no expert but it looked like it'll be cheaper to let him hang around one more year, but I agree unless he makes a BIG step forward he gone after we win the Superbowl.

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And Fleener isn't total crap. He is leaps and bounds above any other option other than Ben Watson and Josh Hill. It would be crazy to throw away dead cap to gamble that one of a few UDFA's could outperform his capability.

Personally, if gambling is in play, I'll put my money on Curtis Johnson coaching Fleener up on the fine art of catching the ball and on Ryan Neilsen coaching him up on being a better outside lineman.

We came into this off season a play away from possibly advancing to the Super Bowl given another game. This roster is improved by the off-season. This roster is improved by the 2018 draft. This roster has been improved by the dynamic coaching additions on the defensive side.

I have no doubt.

19-0 Baby!

:bng:

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I was distracted. My bad. I meant to say Campbell. I was pumping up Neilsen elsewhere.

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This is how Fleener leaving the team this year would break out. If designated a Post June 1 cut his roster spot may have more value than his cap hit split between two years.

Pre-6/1 Release
2018 Dead Cap: $8,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $-200,000

Pre-6/1 Trade
2018 Dead Cap: $4,800,000
2018 Cap Savings: $3,200,000

Post-6/1 Release
2018 Dead Cap: $5,000,000
2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $3,000,000

Post-6/1 Trade
2018 Dead Cap: $1,600,000
2019 Dead Cap: $3,200,000
2018 Cap Savings: $6,400,000

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Trying to make sense out of this statement. If Fleener is released the cap hit is $8.2 million regardless of release date. Either all in 2018 or $3.2 million carried over to the 2019 cap. So you are trying to say that his vacated roster spot would be worth $8.2 million in dead cap PLUS whatever contracted amount is allocated to his replacement, correct? That would only make sense if his replacement was worth more on the field than Fleener's dead cap hit PLUS whatever contracted amount said replacement commands.

Therefore, to make this worthwhile he would have to be markedly better than Fleener and additionally better than any other player his additionally allocated salary also offset.

Sorry, that makes no financial sense and is exactly why it won't happen. Flleener isn't going anywhere this season, like it or not.

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Fleener had a nice game against Washington, then that awful concussion ended his season the following week against the Rams. The bottom line is Fleener is very capable, I see the Saints holding on to him for now.

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Lets trade him for a 7th round pick or someone's towel boy after 6/1!

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Thinking that if Fleener was not part of the plan we would have looked at a TE in Round 3 or 4 instead of taking a receiver.

as mentioned above, he is a serviceable player, just not one that is living up to his contract

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This is why the position was most likely considered a long tern need and not a short term need. Edge rusher and offensive line depth were more immediate needs. Upgrades to the special teams were also needed as we lost some critical players in those areas over the past two seasons. Anything after that had to be looked at as best player available. The stars just never aligned for choosing a TE, it appears, and was also implied by Payton himself post draft.

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I hope the front office keeps Fleener this season. We need the best 53 on the roster at all times. Especially considering he's been paid over half of his salary.

Double (2X's) if we can't get the same caliber for what it will cost in DEAD MONEY. I wouldn't cut CF this season.

The 5 concussions he had last season is a BIG concern for me though.

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So hard to get a good TE. From last year, maybe 3-4 were great then the rest...meh. Fleener was a good move at the time. He's still decent but at 30, maybe he bounces back some but not much IMO.

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Watson used to have a lot of concussion issues and he's still playing. Amendola too.

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Ben has had a total of 5 concussions since 2005.

Fleener had 5 last season (2017). Huge difference.

Benjamin Watson injury history and analysis

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I think we’ll just completely rebuild the TE position next year. Hill, Hoomanawanui and Watson will all be free agents and cutting Fleener will be much more palatable financially.

In the meantime, Deon Yelder will probably get a year of development on the practice squad and maybe be part of the solution next year.

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I just don't have any faith in Fleener. He has a slow response time and looked outright lazy at training camp. He did not take the next step like we had hoped when we brought him in on a big contract that we now to get out of. Unfortunately, we will probably keep him and look at cutting our losses next year.

Maybe Dan Campbell should let Curtis Johnson whack Fleener with his whoopin' stick for awhile so he can toughen up some......just don't hit him in the head. :p

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I won't miss Hill
$2.4m per year is a lot for 15 catches

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Oh well, I missed this one by a mile... lol

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Saints release Coby Fleener – ProFootballTalk


I think it's for the best for both. Concussion looked severe to me (repetitive)

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According to many news sources they have already made the decision to cut him post June 1st. His cap hit will be 5 mil instead of 8.2

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Addition by subtraction IMO

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Those 5 concussions last year didn't help but I'm still surprised considering he was recently paid. Oh well, I guess they decided to cut losses (they are on the hook for at least 8M in Dead Money) and move forward. Too bad it didn't work out. Injuries and inconsistencies will get you cut every time.

Side note - the undrafted guy from WKY (name escapes me) has a shot to make the 53 man roster.

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Even if it had worked out we still over paid. Only a small handful of TEs deserve that kind of money and he was never one of them to get that contract. Wish him the best but it was the right move. That 3 mil is worth more than him being on the team.

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The Saints are going to be hit with the $3.2 million anyway. They're just taking that portion of the cap hit next year.

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Good riddance

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I still had a little hope but those concussions are probably not going away. I still wish him the best.

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The handwriting was on the wall... hence this thread. Now that we have the Wozinator at 6'10", a new era is upon us at TE.


So long, "Fleecer" !

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Unless he can double as janitor, private jet pilot, manicurist, and wind blame taker (that's the guy who takes the blame when Gail breaks wind), his services are no longer needed.

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I hope Woz pans out. Watson and Curtis J. should teach him a lot.

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Ohp looks like I'm late to the party with my fleecer post. Good decision

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Coby clearly was not Kobe for us!

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Nice lol :bng:

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I said 'roster spot', not replacement... huge difference. Roster spot can be a RB if someone goes down, or OL. Is his place on the 53 better served being occupied by a an overpaid TE or a fill in for any replacement player at a position of need?

As far as your comment on financial sense... You mean like Byrds contract? What you are saying is "exactly why it wont happen" is exactly what they did with Will Smith except Smith was 8.5M, perhaps resurrecting the hit from Junior Gallette's release will resonate.

I made no statements about liking or not liking anything, I just provided the math and a comment. Take a breath, its Fleener, nothing personal.

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Umm... I just saw this. How do you like your pie?

Saints release Coby Fleener – ProFootballTalk

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In the future if anyone wants to know what a cut will cost us just go to the players spotrac page (OTC has the same functionality, I just prefer spotrac), fid the "x" on the right hand column and click it, this will reveal their cut details.
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