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SmashMouth 05-16-2018 09:44 PM

Rookie tackle Rick Leonard's familiarity with Saints offensive line dates back to Florida State days
 
Rick Leonard had never met Zach Strief until last weekend.

But he knew Strief's work well.

Leonard has been watching Strief and the rest of the New Orleans Saints offensive line for the better part of two years, ever since he decided to make the transition from defensive end to offensive tackle.

Florida State offensive line coach Rick Trickett made sure of it.

"My coach liked to put on Saints film, he liked to put on the Cowboys, the Redskins," Leonard said. "Teams that our offense kind of mimicked."

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Leonard, a right tackle at Florida State, obviously kept his eyes on Strief, the veteran who retired in March after 12 seasons in New Orleans. Up until a torn ACL and MCL cut his final season short last fall, Strief was one of the best right tackles in the NFL.

"I watched the Saints offensive line a lot," Leonard said. "I knew who he was, and I knew he was a really good player."

So Leonard was excited when Strief jumped into the fray at the team's minicamp last weekend. Initially there to observe practice, Strief jumped into an impromptu role as a coaching consultant for the rookie offensive linemen.

As knowledgeable and intelligent as any offensive lineman in the NFL, Strief is the perfect resource for a rookie tackle.

"He's so willing to help," Leonard said. "It's just huge to have a guy around like that, that I can learn from and pick his brain."

Strief might be even more perfect for Leonard. A seventh-round draft pick who spent five years as the swing tackle and the extra offensive lineman in the Saints' jumbo packages, the 6-foot-7 Strief needed time to develop into an NFL starter.

Leonard, another 6-7 prospect, played defensive end at Florida State for two seasons before making the shift to the offensive line. With Terron Armstead and Ryan Ramczyk entrenched as the starters at tackle and Andrus Peat a frequent replacement at left tackle in case of injury to Armstead, Leonard's early NFL career might look a lot like Strief's.

"Right away, I can see a jumbo role," coach Sean Payton said. "I could see him compete to be a gameday backup tackle."

Leonard's tools for the position are obvious.

Beyond his length and the athleticism necessary to play defensive end at a school like Florida State, Leonard has the right disposition, something the Saints saw on film in their evaluation.

"There’s a physicalness about him," Payton said. "We think that there is still some growth because of his lack of experience. He’s a big body, he’s physical."

Leonard knows he has a lot to learn.

Landing in New Orleans should help the curve. Under Jimbo Fisher, the Seminoles ran a pro-style offense, and although the terminology has changed, Leonard already feels at home in the plays the Saints introduced at the rookie minicamp.

"Everyone's got the same plays," Leonard said. "It's just that the terminology's a lot different."

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Crusader 05-18-2018 08:19 AM

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This piece is well worth listening to.


voodooido 05-18-2018 08:43 AM

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Becoming a fan of his. Sounds like he is will to do anything the teams asks of him. Hard worker with a big heart, sounds like Strief

jeanpierre 05-18-2018 08:51 AM

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Still a horrible reach in the fourth round by Payton...

In listening to some of the post draft commentary citing GMs and Personnel Men (of course, off the record) stated they were surprised at this pick in the fourth...

Believe it was a New England Sports Pod Cast (I follow Red Sox, Celtics, Bruins and yes Patriots) that reiterated that this was a WTF pick...

He'll probably turn out fine in a few years for us, but you don't need to develop a fourth rounder to play in five years; even Clapp should've been picked before him...

K Major 05-18-2018 09:13 AM

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I simply don't watch enough ACC/Seminole football to form an educated opinion on Rick. For now I'm reserving judgment.

Good luck Rick ! Training camp awaits.

jeanpierre 05-18-2018 10:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 802526)
I simply don't watch enough ACC/Seminole football to form an educated opinion on Rick. For now I'm reserving judgment.

Good luck Rick ! Training camp awaits.

Leonard prepped as and played defensive end (reserve) for two years for the Seminoles...

Rick only started playing offensive lineman (right tackle) his junior year, not becoming a starter till the end of his junior year...

Rugby Saint II 05-18-2018 11:25 AM

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This draft class is loaded with projects.....some more long term than others. There is something about every player we drafted that gives me hope that the coaching staff can get the most out of these guys. Without a second round pick we had to either reach for a player like Leonard or hope that we can get some value out of these players chosen later in the draft.

jeanpierre 05-18-2018 02:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 802540)
This draft class is loaded with projects.....some more long term than others. There is something about every player we drafted that gives me hope that the coaching staff can get the most out of these guys. Without a second round pick we had to either reach for a player like Leonard or hope that we can get some value out of these players chosen later in the draft.

Rugs, we didn't have to reach for anyone, Payton and the Mickster just went back to their old draft ways after being disciplined last year and having a great draft...

It's the reaching and poor draft management that has limited the Saints to one Superbowl in the Brees era...

AsylumGuido 05-18-2018 02:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 802550)
Rugs, we didn't have to reach for anyone, Payton and the Mickster just went back to their old draft ways after being disciplined last year and having a great draft...

It's the reaching and poor draft management that has limited the Saints to one Superbowl in the Brees era...

It was a reach based upon your personal board, but where was he on the Saints' draft board? For all we know he was sitting right there at the top and they felt he had fallen into their lap. I'll bet you that all 32 teams have draft boards that differ dramatically in different areas based upon things those team's personnel saw that others didn't ... be them correct or not. And I'll also wager they different in the same way from those created by outside "experts" and fans.

I understand you are extremely knowledgeable in the area of potential NFL rookies, but your idea of a reach may not jive with everyone's. While there can definitely be "WTF's" uttered in certain circles there are also most likely a few "craps" and "dammits" that were uttered by other frustrated that he didn't fall to them.

jeanpierre 05-18-2018 03:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 802557)
It was a reach based upon your personal board, but where was he on the Saints' draft board? For all we know he was sitting right there at the top and they felt he had fallen into their lap. I'll bet you that all 32 teams have draft boards that differ dramatically in different areas based upon things those team's personnel saw that others didn't ... be them correct or not. And I'll also wager they different in the same way from those created by outside "experts" and fans.

I understand you are extremely knowledgeable in the area of potential NFL rookies, but your idea of a reach may not jive with everyone's. While there can definitely be "WTF's" uttered in certain circles there are also most likely a few "craps" and "dammits" that were uttered by other frustrated that he didn't fall to them.

Guido, it's really not about my personal board. I'll gladly subdue my ego to get past that point to have an on-point discussion...

Those that know me personally know I won't hesitate to fall on my sword so that all may have the truth...

The NFL rating service even had him at a R7-FA grade as well which NFL.com basically bases their information off of...

But, whether you want to disagree or not with those far more recognized folks; this is a player who's only played a year and a half as an offensive lineman, and not with stand-out performances...

Look Payton is a gambler and a showman and has the ego in-tow to boot and I love the Saints as much as anyone and love that he's like that on game day...

Even when he's calling double reverses...

But when it comes to building a team, just wish he and Mickey would defer to Ireland's "calm and disciplined influence" and actually let it have the most weight...

Didn't expect the same haul we had last year, but was hoping for the same approach...

I'm not so proudful that I want Davenport and/or Leonard to bust...

I want them to be great Saints and I've checked much of my pessimism and criticism a great deal on their outlooks in my posts in hopeful anticipation that I'm wrong about their prospects in the Fall...

Either way that works out, when it comes to the Draft, Payton reaches - period. And his moves fail far more often than not and is the single biggest handicap to this team's success...

ChrisXVI 05-18-2018 03:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 802550)
Rugs, we didn't have to reach for anyone, Payton and the Mickster just went back to their old draft ways after being disciplined last year and having a great draft...

It's the reaching and poor draft management that has limited the Saints to one Superbowl in the Brees era...

We can’t heap praise on Jeff Ireland when a draft goes well and then act like it’s all Payton and Loomis’s fault when it doesn’t turn out how one might expect.

AsylumGuido 05-18-2018 04:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 802563)
Guido, it's really not about my personal board. I'll gladly subdue my ego to get past that point to have an on-point discussion...

Those that know me personally know I won't hesitate to fall on my sword so that all may have the truth...

The NFL rating service even had him at a R7-FA grade as well which NFL.com basically bases their information off of...

But, whether you want to disagree or not with those far more recognized folks; this is a player who's only played a year and a half as an offensive lineman, and not with stand-out performances...

Look Payton is a gambler and a showman and has the ego in-tow to boot and I love the Saints as much as anyone and love that he's like that on game day...

Even when he's calling double reverses...

But when it comes to building a team, just wish he and Mickey would defer to Ireland's "calm and disciplined influence" and actually let it have the most weight...

Didn't expect the same haul we had last year, but was hoping for the same approach...

I'm not so proudful that I want Davenport and/or Leonard to bust...

I want them to be great Saints and I've checked much of my pessimism and criticism a great deal on their outlooks in my posts in hopeful anticipation that I'm wrong about their prospects in the Fall...

Either way that works out, when it comes to the Draft, Payton reaches - period. And his moves fail far more often than not and is the single biggest handicap to this team's success...

Of course, I hope you are wrong in your fears, but how do you know that it wasn't Ireland that gave the "go ahead" in this case? Perhaps they all saw something there that the NFL rating service doesn't take into consideration. Perhaps they see him less as a long term project and more as a solid contributor for the 53 man roster in 2018 that can quickly advance to allowing for the eventual exit of the oft injured Armstead via a move of Ramczyk to LT? Payton himself mentioned the use of variables in the evaluation process that others are not currently using. And how much does Strief's ready availability factor into the decision, as well? That too can quicken any process and shorten the curve.

Let's see wait and see how the perceived "reach" turns out "post Ireland".

:bng:

AsylumGuido 05-18-2018 04:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 802570)
We can’t heap praise on Jeff Ireland when a draft goes well and then act like it’s all Payton and Loomis’s fault when it doesn’t turn out how one might expect.

Yup. That's my point. Let's wait and see. In Ireland I trust ... and not only because I'm Irish.

K Major 05-18-2018 04:19 PM

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After the last two successful Saints drafts ... kind of hard for me to argue that these guys don't know what they are doing.

Trust the process.

Mr.Riaton 05-18-2018 04:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 802574)
After the last two successful Saints drafts ... kind of hard for me to argue that these guys don't know what they are doing.

Trust the process.

I agree. Not to say they won't get it wrong from time to time,but theyve been doing well.

Mr.Riaton 05-18-2018 04:38 PM

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BTW...i don't think anybody can call this a reach until we see how he fares out. I'm still amazed that people continue to grade players prematurely. If Alvin Kamara would've been drafted in the first round,there would have been a lot of WTF going around.That goes for any playerr not taken in the first round that turned out to be a star.
For the record,I don't think this guy will be a star, but he just might be worth the fourth round pick

Euphoria 05-18-2018 04:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 802531)
Leonard prepped as and played defensive end (reserve) for two years for the Seminoles...

Rick only started playing offensive lineman (right tackle) his junior year, not becoming a starter till the end of his junior year...

With your reasoning... Kamara was a reach as well. Look how that turned out so far.

I am a believer that you can't grade your draft until 3-4 years after the draft. You don't know how they will turn out/develop or how they will contribute that early usually.

Even second guessing these guys after the past couple of years is a bit much they have earned a lot of clout.

You also don't take chances... if you believe this is your guy then you take him.

Rugby Saint II 05-18-2018 05:28 PM

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The O-line is the last stop for big men. Switching positions is difficult and it has to be damn near impossible to learn the nuances going from defense to offense in a short time. I'll bet Ireland knows talent and that our coaches can coach him up.

saintfan 05-18-2018 06:08 PM

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I think this guy is going to prove to be well worth a round 4, but time will tell.

jeanpierre 05-18-2018 07:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 802570)
We can’t heap praise on Jeff Ireland when a draft goes well and then act like it’s all Payton and Loomis’s fault when it doesn’t turn out how one might expect.

Yes we can...Ireland was brought here for that reason and should be trusted with the process...

Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 802574)
After the last two successful Saints drafts ... kind of hard for me to argue that these guys don't know what they are doing.

Trust the process.

I'm not sold on the completeness of the 2016 draft - DT Sheldon Rankins (C-), WR @Can'tGuardMike A+, S Vonn Bell (D) two picks to acquire, DT David Onyemata (C-) two picks to acquire, RB Daniel Lasco (D) and UDFA CB Ken Crawley (A-)...

A solid draft nonetheless, and this is the third year for these guys; but first round pick Rankins has been more SedEllis 2.0 than even Akiem Hicks; if not for Thomas, this draft really stings, especially when we used four picks to get Vonn Bell and David Onyemata...

And most folks here wanted to replace Crawley after his rookie season...


Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 802579)
With your reasoning... Kamara was a reach as well. Look how that turned out so far.

That would be correct and just to speak blaspheme, RB Kareem Hunt was there in the third round without taking oft-injured Anzalone...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 802579)
I am a believer that you can't grade your draft until 3-4 years after the draft. You don't know how they will turn out/develop or how they will contribute that early usually.

Overall, yes, you have to wait it out; but a player can still be a reach at the time of draft selection which is the point I'm illustrating...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 802579)
Even second guessing these guys after the past couple of years is a bit much they have earned a lot of clout.

And the years 2015 BI? Think we've all been fans longer than that that we should remember all of it, good and bad...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 802579)
You also don't take chances... if you believe this is your guy then you take him.

If we're looking at a franchise QB, I'd agree; but are we now to forget the lessons of bad drafts and free agency moves prior to when Ireland got here?

It takes CBs, DEs, OGs, DTs, OTs, LBs, Ks, TEs, Cs, WRs, RBs, and you can't get all the starters and depth using two picks on one guy...

Staying patient as we did in 2017 and letting the draft come to us, allow the other kids to reach and make mistakes...



Good, healthy debate, my Bros, finished HB Steak and Peas - Think I'll have a Yuengling - Salud!!!

jeanpierre 05-18-2018 07:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 802572)
Of course, I hope you are wrong in your fears, but how do you know that it wasn't Ireland that gave the "go ahead" in this case? Perhaps they all saw something there that the NFL rating service doesn't take into consideration. Perhaps they see him less as a long term project and more as a solid contributor for the 53 man roster in 2018 that can quickly advance to allowing for the eventual exit of the oft injured Armstead via a move of Ramczyk to LT? Payton himself mentioned the use of variables in the evaluation process that others are not currently using. And how much does Strief's ready availability factor into the decision, as well? That too can quicken any process and shorten the curve.

Let's see wait and see how the perceived "reach" turns out "post Ireland".

:bng:

From your lips to the Lord's ears - no sacrilege intended...

jeanpierre 05-19-2018 08:39 AM

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In the spirit of our discussion, thought you guys would love to see this...

True Story, can't make this up - I was actually listening to Old Chicago Tunes on You Tube while working at my desk this a.m.

This video popped up in the cue- Kevin and his f*ckery or maybe it's time to clean up the cache...



jeanpierre 05-28-2018 09:13 AM

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Crusader 05-28-2018 10:09 AM

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They must have seen something the liked back then.

AsylumGuido 05-28-2018 11:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 803230)
They must have seen something the liked back then.

That's pretty clear and also why they felt they had to make the move when they did. If Leonard turns out to be another Strief then the move was a steal.

saintfan 05-28-2018 12:12 PM

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I have precisely nothing to confirm my own opinion with except that I have a feeling this guy is going to stick and prove to be a steal. I hear he plays with a mean streak. Heck, he might just rip off some opponent's helmet and toss it 20 yards down field just to make his point someday.

:popcorn:

AsylumGuido 05-28-2018 02:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 803236)
I have precisely nothing to confirm my own opinion with except that I have a feeling this guy is going to stick and prove to be a steal. I hear he plays with a mean streak. Heck, he might just rip off some opponent's helmet and toss it 20 yards down field just to make his point someday.

:popcorn:

Loved and remember that move.

Crusader 05-28-2018 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 803249)
Loved and remember that move.

But he threw it like a wuss. I think the facemask got caught in his fingers.

saintfan 05-28-2018 06:25 PM

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