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44Champs 05-24-2018 08:12 PM
Mark Ingram Won't Be at OTA's
 
How do you feel about this? Seems to me like if he's missing the first four games of the season, he really needs to get in as much time with his teammates as possible.
He's planning on participating in the mandatory practices though.

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SaintFanInATLHELL 05-24-2018 08:17 PM
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OTA's are optional. Ingram has been in this offense his entire Saints career. He'll be there for manditory minicamp and presumably training camp. He was a top 5 back in the league last season.

In short, much ado about nothing.

SFIAH

Utah_Saint 05-24-2018 10:13 PM
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Suspended for 4 games, skipping OTAs... Not off to a good start for a contract year.

He better ball out this season.

neugey 05-24-2018 10:43 PM
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saintfan 05-24-2018 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 803058)
Well played

spkb25 05-25-2018 01:52 AM
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here come the apologist. selfish player. wouldnt mind trading him as soon as he regains some value

spkb25 05-25-2018 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 803057)

He better ball out this season.
so we can trade him for a 3rd rounder

Rugby Saint II 05-27-2018 02:33 PM
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It's bad timing for sure. On the bright side the touches will go to whoever the players are that replace most of his production over the first four games.

SaintFanInATLHELL 05-27-2018 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 803063)
so we can trade him for a 3rd rounder
Unless it's a trade early in the season, it cannot be done. This is Ingram's final year of his contract. After the trade deadline, he cannot be traded and at the end of the season he'll be a free agent.

SFIAH

Cruize 05-28-2018 12:54 AM
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Should be fresh and hungry.

Ashley 05-28-2018 08:44 AM
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Dont care really either way.

SaintFanInATLHELL 05-28-2018 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Ashley (Post 803220)
Dont care really either way.
Interesting that you don't care about a top 5 RB that essentially plays part time.

SFIAH

jeanpierre 05-28-2018 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 803063)
so we can trade him for a 3rd rounder
Ingram, a 28yo RB who took over six (6) years just to scrape over a thousand (1000) RuYds in a season is gonna net a 3rd pick?

Maybe if we trade him in-season to a desperate title contender, at the trade deadline, not in our conference...

Ingram's highest value will be with the Saints, Payton and Mickster trading first and second round draft picks to select him...

Includes five (5) years into developing him; that said, he'll be 29yo in December so wouldn't extend any guaranteed money beyond a year...

AsylumGuido 05-28-2018 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 803233)
Ingram, a 28yo RB who took over six (6) years just to scrape over a thousand (1000) RuYds in a season is gonna net a 3rd pick?

Maybe if we trade him in-season to a desperate title contender, at the trade deadline, not in our conference...
To be fair, JP, much of that lack of rushing production was on Payton and his pass intensive and RB by committee approach. It reminds me of the story of the only man that could hold Michael Jordan to under 20 points ... Dean Smith.

;)

vpheughan 05-28-2018 02:33 PM
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Go back and look at Ingram's rookie season where Payton states "I'm probably the reason he won't be OFROY"

K Major 05-28-2018 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 803233)
Ingram, a 28yo RB who took over six (6) years just to scrape over a thousand (1000) RuYds in a season is gonna net a 3rd pick?
JP, IMO Ingram was the best & most consistent RB in all of his 2011 draft class (rounds 1- 7). Over the last 6 seasons, which RB has played better than Mark from his class? Roy Helo? Kendall Hunter ? Demarco Murray :rolleyes: ?

I'm simply wondering if it was the draft pick position by the Saints or the player that you have a problem with? All I know is that Mark has been consistently good in New Orleans.

dizzle88 05-28-2018 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 803255)
Go back and look at Ingram's rookie season where Payton states "I'm probably the reason he won't be OFROY"
I'd say most of the reason for Ingram's rookie year was that he seemed to run with his eyes closed. Right into the back of his own lineman.

Developed into a great player, but in a year where we are loaded up for a SB run, he's definitely hampered it.

spkb25 05-28-2018 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 803233)
Ingram, a 28yo RB who took over six (6) years just to scrape over a thousand (1000) RuYds in a season is gonna net a 3rd pick?

Maybe if we trade him in-season to a desperate title contender, at the trade deadline, not in our conference...

Ingram's highest value will be with the Saints, Payton and Mickster trading first and second round draft picks to select him...

Includes five (5) years into developing him; that said, he'll be 29yo in December so wouldn't extend any guaranteed money beyond a year...
would be glorious wouldn't it

spkb25 05-28-2018 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 803255)
Go back and look at Ingram's rookie season where Payton states "I'm probably the reason he won't be OFROY"
that's something a coach says when he is trying to temper expectations and protect the player in case his success is less than what the fans expect

The Dude 05-28-2018 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 803235)
To be fair, JP, much of that lack of rushing production was on Payton and his pass intensive and RB by committee approach. It reminds me of the story of the only man that could hold Michael Jordan to under 20 points ... Dean Smith.

;)
This. And everyone and their mother was saying he needed touches to get into rhythm. Once Payton committed to running more he produced. Injuries also played a role.
I’m happy with him, I just don’t know how happy Payton is with him right now. Or how happy he is . I get the feeling he thinks the Saints could have done more to back him up on this suspension thing.
The way the medical staff has been dropping the ball lately it wouldn’t surprise me if they gave him or recommended something that turned out to be banned.
Not maliciously, out of ignorance. There are tons of new supplements coming out all the time and if the homework isn’t done I can see it being overlooked.

jeanpierre 05-29-2018 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 803235)
To be fair, JP, much of that lack of rushing production was on Payton and his pass intensive and RB by committee approach. It reminds me of the story of the only man that could hold Michael Jordan to under 20 points ... Dean Smith.

;)
It's a good point, and you're right, that's part of it...

And it's one of my biggest critiques of Bad-Sean/Mickster trading a first and a second round pick to acquire him - Why not use him?

But Ingram shares the criticism in this as well as he didn't even hit 4 RuYds/carry in his first two years; and while not exclusive, he had ample carries...

Ingram's first four years he was among the league's worst going down on initial contact; some on him, some was his exclusivity on short yardage...

He must've rode the short bus at Bama because it took him nearly five years to break out and he didn't even scrape over 1000 RuYds till his sixth year...

When his rookie contract period matured, so had his game and his greatest value was to the team that developed him, especially in that market year...

But I just don't see extending him when he's turning 29yo in December and we'll be severely thin or non-existent at some positions when contracts expire...

Built to win now, this year, just don't see moving Ingram unless Kamara and our RBs stay fresh and are giving us as good offensive balance as last season...

And only then, I'd trade him to a desperate contender, preferably in the other conference and it likely be for a Day 2 pick...

But, at the end of the season, I'm moving on to a younger runner and I'm taking that money and using it to extend other players...

AsylumGuido 05-29-2018 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 803258)
I'd say most of the reason for Ingram's rookie year was that he seemed to run with his eyes closed. Right into the back of his own lineman.

Developed into a great player, but in a year where we are loaded up for a SB run, he's definitely hampered it.
How so? The suspension? If we can't go at least 3-1 over those games without him we shouldn't be going to the Super Bowl anyway. I think we'll go 4-0 and a couple of RB's will get lots of experience and Ingram comes back fresh and strong right when we need him. It could work out for the best.

darksoul35 05-29-2018 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 803258)
I'd say most of the reason for Ingram's rookie year was that he seemed to run with his eyes closed. Right into the back of his own lineman.

Developed into a great player, but in a year where we are loaded up for a SB run, he's definitely hampered it.
The silver lining is that he should come in fresh.

dizzle88 05-29-2018 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 803304)
How so? The suspension? If we can't go at least 3-1 over those games without him we shouldn't be going to the Super Bowl anyway. I think we'll go 4-0 and a couple of RB's will get lots of experience and Ingram comes back fresh and strong right when we need him. It could work out for the best.
It "could" work out for the best, but losing one of your best players for something that was in his reasonable control i.e not injury related, is certainly not a good way to start a season where we finally looked to be serious contenders.

AsylumGuido 05-29-2018 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 803308)
It "could" work out for the best, but losing one of your best players for something that was in his reasonable control i.e not injury related, is certainly not a good way to start a season where we finally looked to be serious contenders.
I'm not sure how much it was in his control. What percentage of NFL players do think use supplements that are approved by the league? 80%? 90%? It sounds like he was a victim of the Russian roulette game of approved supplements where a batch here or there gets tainted AND he happened to get a bottle of that batch AND he happens to get randomly tested, To date four different current and former Saints players implied that is what happened to Ingram. I believe them. Although, to acknowledge your point, he could have avoided all supplements like that 10-20% of players.


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