Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out

Thirty3 · 06-27-2018, 05:06 PM

Who dat say Dey gonna beat dem saints? Who dat!

K Major · 06-28-2018, 02:19 PM

Rankins played a lot of DE or 3 tech (outside G) towards the end of the season due to injuries. Puts his head down and goes after it. Just because he doesn't put up "All Pro stats" after year 2, doesn't mean he hasn't been effective.

Plug in tape. He's only going to get better. Wait and see on Sheldon.

jeanpierre · 06-28-2018, 04:05 PM

Until the production improves, Rankins is looking like Sedrick Ellis 2.0...

That said, I still like this line as the best in the Sean Payton era - look at this:

2009/10 Superbowl Championship Team vs 2018 Training Camp Roster

'09 DE 93 - Bobby McCray, 96 - Paul Spicer
'18 DE 94 - Cameron Jordan, 90 - George Johnson/70 - Mitchell Loewen

'09 DT 98 - Sedrick Ellis, 69 - Tony Hargrove
'18 DT 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata

'09 NT 92 - Remi Ayodele, 90 - DeMario Pressley
'18 NT 95 - Tyeler Davison, 99 - Jay Bromley/96 - Woodrow Hamilton

'09 DE 91 - Will Smith, 97 - Jeff Charleston
'18 DE 92 - Marcus Davenport, 57 - Alex Okafor/91 - Trey Hendrickson/97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad

K Major · 06-28-2018, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Until the production improves, Rankins is looking like Sedrick Ellis 2.0...

Have you watched Deuce Windham's film study & breakdown of Rankins in 2017 by chance? The guy is hardly Sedrick Ellis.

saintsfan1976 · 06-28-2018, 05:31 PM

That’s harsh JP. And inaccurate my man.

jeanpierre · 06-28-2018, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

That’s harsh JP. And inaccurate my man.

Proof's in the production and so far, it's just not there...

saintsfan1976 · 06-28-2018, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Proof's in the production and so far, it's just not there...

Define “production”. You’re equating sacks and pressures alone and I’m saying it’s not that cut and dry.

However Sed did get 6 sacks in year three but never played DE

K Major · 06-29-2018, 08:49 AM

I guess we can look @ grades, stats & in some instances film study by our resident "experts" but Coach Dennis Allen, Nielson & Sean P have a much better handle on an ascending player such as Rankins.

That's enough for me

. Training camp awaits.

vpheughan · 06-29-2018, 01:54 PM

"You wouldn't know a good pass rush if you saw one" Jim Mora to the EGGSPURTS

jeanpierre · 06-29-2018, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Ouch? PFF graded him at 80.7. As a frame of reference PFF ranked Dontari Poe in their top 20 free agents this year and he graded 81.5. Just my opinion but that sounds a lot better than "struggling".

They also graded him as an above average DT. Sheldon Richardson also got graded as an above average DT. Maybe it's just me but that doesn't sound like a lump of coal.

PFF Grades for Saints Interior Defenders

81.0 DT Tyeler Davison, 5th round pick, 26 Tkl, 10 Ast, 0 Sks, 3 TFL, 1 FF

80.9 DT David Onyemata, 4th round pick, 24 Tkl, 8 Ast, 3 Sks, 3 TFL, 0 FF

80.7 DT Sheldon Rankins, 1st round pick, 19 Tkl, 9 Ast, 2 Sks, 3 TFL, 1 FF

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out Rankins played a lot of DE or 3 tech (outside G) towards the end of the season due to injuries. Puts his head down and goes after it. Just because he doesn't put up "All Pro stats" after year 2, doesn't mean he hasn't been effective. Plug in tape. He's only going to get better. Wait and see on Sheldon. saintsfan1976 and Rugby Saint II like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out Until the production improves, Rankins is looking like Sedrick Ellis 2.0... That said, I still like this line as the best in the Sean Payton era - look at this: 2009/10 Superbowl Championship Team vs 2018 Training Camp Roster '09 DE 93 - Bobby McCray, 96 - Paul Spicer '18 DE 94 - Cameron Jordan, 90 - George Johnson/70 - Mitchell Loewen '09 DT 98 - Sedrick Ellis, 69 - Tony Hargrove '18 DT 98 - Sheldon Rankins, 93 - David Onyemata '09 NT 92 - Remi Ayodele, 90 - DeMario Pressley '18 NT 95 - Tyeler Davison, 99 - Jay Bromley/96 - Woodrow Hamilton '09 DE 91 - Will Smith, 97 - Jeff Charleston '18 DE 92 - Marcus Davenport, 57 - Alex Okafor/91 - Trey Hendrickson/97 - Al-Quadin Muhammad
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06-28-2018, 04:21 PM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out Originally Posted by jeanpierre Until the production improves, Rankins is looking like Sedrick Ellis 2.0... Have you watched Deuce Windham's film study & breakdown of Rankins in 2017 by chance? The guy is hardly Sedrick Ellis.

06-28-2018, 05:31 PM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out That’s harsh JP. And inaccurate my man. WW_Who_Dat and K Major like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 That’s harsh JP. And inaccurate my man. Proof's in the production and so far, it's just not there...

06-28-2018, 09:26 PM	#7
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out Originally Posted by jeanpierre Proof's in the production and so far, it's just not there... Define “production”. You’re equating sacks and pressures alone and I’m saying it’s not that cut and dry. However Sed did get 6 sacks in year three but never played DE

06-29-2018, 08:49 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out I guess we can look @ grades, stats & in some instances film study by our resident "experts" but Coach Dennis Allen, Nielson & Sean P have a much better handle on an ascending player such as Rankins. That's enough for me . Training camp awaits. AsylumGuido likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Ouch? PFF graded him at 80.7. As a frame of reference PFF ranked Dontari Poe in their top 20 free agents this year and he graded 81.5. Just my opinion but that sounds a lot better than "struggling". They also graded him as an above average DT. Sheldon Richardson also got graded as an above average DT. Maybe it's just me but that doesn't sound like a lump of coal. PFF Grades for Saints Interior Defenders 81.0 DT Tyeler Davison, 5th round pick, 26 Tkl, 10 Ast, 0 Sks, 3 TFL, 1 FF 80.9 DT David Onyemata, 4th round pick, 24 Tkl, 8 Ast, 3 Sks, 3 TFL, 0 FF 80.7 DT Sheldon Rankins, 1st round pick, 19 Tkl, 9 Ast, 2 Sks, 3 TFL, 1 FF

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