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Not too long ago in a distant galaxy there was a QB controversy in New Orleans. Between the fans, anyway. ;)

Allow me to paint the picture.... The Saints are 8-4 and Brooks' shoulder gets injured. We need to win in order to get in the playoffs.

Brooks is struggling some. ( Although not a bad as some would suggest. We won't go there for now.) Voices start to rise up amoung Saints' fans. Chants start to go out: Jake Jake Jake !!!!!!

Haslett sticks with Brooks and the hometown hero, Jake Delhomme, is left on the bench. Brooks is blamed for the team missing the playoffs. Haslett is called an idiot. Haslett is called a "coddler". Folks call for Haslett's job.

I like to look into the future and ask: What if?

What if Brooks gets injured or struggles this year? Will the chants go out? I can hear it now. Straight out of a Rocky Balboa movie .... Adrian Adrian Adrian. Except it's not Rocky Bolboa's wife everyone is screaming for. It's Adrian McPhearson!

Would Haslett be a fool not to put in Adrian?

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At least A-Mac was drafted. LOL

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yes he would be a fool. while AB is good qb, he would be no good to us hurt

ADRIAAAAAAANNNNNNNNN!!!!!!

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I would\'nt doubt the fans in NO will be chanting that before the coin toss of every game. They always do. I\'ve said it pleanty of times booing your QB before the game even starts, make\'s no sense. Its like the home fans think, hey i want to win, i think i\'ll boo my QB before the game starts, that\'ll pump him up.
(this is prob why his away record is way better then his home record) (every home game is more hostile against him, then the away games)(again make\'s no sense)
I think AB loved it in NO when he first started, but i dont know about now, you know with all the support and all.
I hope he knows not all the saint fans hate him, and some support him. (like me) (and think he\'s a heck of a QB)
AB will prob want to leave NO when he gets a chance. A-Mac will take over and the cycle will begin all over again.

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Well said DOG. Although AB may not be among the elite he is adequate and maybe even a little above average. Yes he scares the hell out of me most of the time but I can say this with all confidence....At no time in my memory do I recall ANY QB in Saints history who could march us down the field and win a ball game LATE in the 4th. This has historically where we usually find a way to loose the damn game. AB has actually pulled a few out for us. Credit him with that. But the one point DOG made that was most accurate \"the cycle starts all over\" it doesn\'t matter who is our #2 guy. I recall several folks saying Bouman was better than AB at one time???

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You forgot our savior... whom we let slip through our hands... JT O\'Sullivan.

You guys are right on with this one: the more things change, the more they stay the same.

If A-Mac turns out to be all that people keep saying, then I hope Haz has the forsight to put him in (and I bet he is chomping at the bit to see what A-Mac can do, since he scouted him for like a year, unlike the others we\'ve noted above). If A-Mac isn\'t all that, don\'t go throwing him in there - Brooks isn\'t THAT bad.

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There it is...jcool....enough said

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Come to think of it, wasn\'t O\'Sullivan the original \"he looked like carp in the preseason\" guy?

You\'ll never forgive him, will ya\' Kool? :P



[Edited on 1/5/2005 by mutineer10]

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I\'ll never forgive the FO for letting him go! What boneheads! Every time we get a guy in here who shows a glimer of being a real QB, we ship him off! Protecting AB\'s starting job is a number one priority!

PS - he did look like carp!
PPS - for those who don\'t know me, I was being sarchastic above.

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I really hoped to get more responses from those who are very high on McPhearson.

Anyway, here\'s the thing ... If Brooks gets injured or is struggling ... McPhearson probably won\'t be ready to go in. By ALL accounts, McPhearson is about as \"raw\" as they come.

Kinda like Drew Henson in Dallas last year. Parcells didn\'t want to put in Henson when Vinny was struggling. But, Parcells caved and put Henson in. And Henson sucked. Vinny was back in the next game.

If Brooks is struggling, he probably still gives us a better chance of winning. Especially if our defense once again sucks.

Throwing in McPhearson when he\'s not ready could destroy the young mans confidence and he might never be the same. It happens frequently. That\'s why you see so many coaches sit their QB the first year.

Even Eli Manning (who is considered an Albert Einstien of QBs) wasn\'t put in unitl late in the season. ;)

So, if Haslett sticks with Brooks, I can understand it.

[Edited on 1/5/2005 by GumboBC]

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Billy, do you mean as raw as AB in 2000?

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Brooks was raw back in 2000. But, you have to remember that Brooks was in Green Bay for a year under Mike McCarthy.

So, Brooks went through 2 NFL training camps, 1 full season with the Packers, and one half-season with the Saints before ever seeing the field.

McPhearson on the other hand didn\'t see very much playing time in college. The only real playing experience McPhearson has is in high school. Since high school, McPhearson has only seen the field in the arena league.

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Just going on Wonderlic scores, McPherson has a lot more raw material to work with than AB does. Being more intelligent should help him pick up the playbook rather quickly.

I\'d be ecstatic to actually see a rookie making rookie mistakes for a change. :thumbsup:

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FireVenturi beat me to the punch... as did BMG.

I don\'t know that Brooks has played as well at any point as he did in 2000 when he was \"raw\" and unprepared to play.

And like BMG said - it would be nice to a) have a reason for rookie mistakes, and b) know that the guy making them might actually learn from them. :)

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From Breaux:

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Maybe I\'m fooling myself, but seems to me this \"start A-Mac\" talk is awfully premature. While I\'d love to see improvement from (or if necessary, replacement for) Brooks, I just don\'t see McPherson being ready for the pro game right now.

If the consensus among NFL teams was that McPherson was generally ready to play - and the only drawback was his sketchy past - he\'d probably have been drafted higher than the 5th round. Heck, Castillo still went in the 1st after admitting to RECENT steroid (or some banned substance) use.

I wouldn\'t rule out the possibility, especially if Brooks gets fussy when a few \"A-Mac\" chants ring out in the Dome (and they will). But I wanna see the guy in uniform before I start calling for AB\'s head.

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I don\'t think anyone is calling for A-Mac to start day one. I don\'t know of anyone who thinks he\'s ready to start. But I think its exciting to know that best-case, he might be able to start quite a bit sooner than the average rookie, maybe by the end of this season. I don\'t see what the harm is in getting excited about the PROSPECT of this kid eventually becoming a stud.

And there were many many people calling for AB\'s head before anyone even heard of Adrian McPherson.

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So you believe it\'s better to go with an injured Brooks than a \"raw\" McPherson??? I don\'t get it.

If the coaches think that he is in no way ready to hit the field in 05, then he will be on the inactive roster. I\'m telling you now that the chances of that happening are slim to none.

The coaching staff is banking that A-Mac is the QB of the future for this team.

What I would like to hear from all of the doubters of A-Mac is why they think he will struggle on the field. All signs indicate that he is the real deal. 5 INTs since graduating from high school, that\'s sick. Other than the off-field problems, he is a shoe in for the starting QB. Tall, fast, smart, cannon arm, and he makes few mistakes.

In an ideal situation, they would like AB to play well for the next couple of years while A-Mac hones his game. Will it happen like this....I\'m almost sure it won\'t. I believe that if AB plays anything less than spectacular this year, he is gone next year, similar to the Bledsoe/Losman deal in Buffalo. It\'s not all about results on the field. His cap number will be a huge factor in keeping him. He will have to put up career numbers this year.

Let me ask the AB supporters this....

How long would you say that the coaching staff should stick with AB before going to McPherson????

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Fair enough. I\'ve got nothing against A-Mac - in fact, after hearing him in recent interviews, I\'m starting to warm up to him - and his arena league stats are undeniably impressive. If he can step in quicker than expected, sounds good to me. What I wouldn\'t give to see a guy actually REACH his potential rather than simply HAVE potential!

Indeed, I was among those ranks. That\'s old news, and developments since - the draft, free agency - have quieted me for now. But Brooks has seemed a bit thin-skinned in the past, and I worry that when the \"A-Mac\" chants come he may get his feelings hurt again. I want to see Brooks motivated ... not playing like he has an inferiority complex.

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Yeah but the only thing is....this is the NFL, not Pop Warner. In the NFL everyone gets booed when they perform badly. I believe the coddling has stopped. The will to be a superior NFL quarterback should be all that AB needs to be motivated.

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I won\'t be chanting for AM. His character issues remind me of other players who\'ve come here with \"character issues\" (A. Connell, K. Collins, etc.) They just don\'t seem to do much in N.O.

Maybe its just to much temptation. I don\'t think AM is really any competition for AB - and that makes me sad and afraid for this season. I\'ve wanted to replace Brooks for two years now, and now we will go into year three.....

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You were looking to get more responses from people high on Adrian -- I am high on him -- I think it was well worth a 5th round pick -- however I am not ready to saay he is an elite backup -- after pre-season I may be ready to say put him in if AB is hurt like he was. We knew what we had with Jake --- Adrian is still a question mark -- sometimes I think you are just trying to make waves on this forum

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Agreed. I don\'t think he ever should\'ve been coddled in the first place. But - for the sake of harmony on the board - I\'ve given my word to stop bashing on AB so much, and I intend to keep it. When it became apparent that challenging AB through FA was not a priority, I quietly hoped we\'d pick up a gem in the draft. Some feel we have, so I\'m willing to sit back and see how the situation develops.

I\'ve booed AB. I\'ll probably boo him again if he fails to live up to his (largely self-generated) hype. But if A-Mac takes the field and isn\'t ready, are we gonna boo him too?

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I think we ought to keep this AM thing in perspective. A raw but yet talented QB... whom we got great value for if he stays out of trouble which I think he\'ll do. I don\'t think he is ready to take over the team anytime soon... If Brooks goes down I say at this point its Bouman or even Kingsbury over AM.

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If after 4 years he is regressing on the field but opening his mouth more off it, I would say yes.

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What do think is that point? Week 1, week 4, week 11?
2006?
2007?
Again, no one is saying he\'s #1 going into TC. At least not anyone here. Is anyone jumping the gun on this kid? I think everyone (here that is) is keeping it in perspective. Maybe some other boards are screaming A-Mac week one, but the folks on this board know better. But again, we are a bit more knowledgable than those other boards. ;)

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SI Don Banks listed him as one of the players picked outside of the high draft picks to make immediate impact this year...

Adrian McPherson, quarterback, New Orleans: In going to New Orleans in the fifth round, the former Florida State and Arena Football League talent might have gone to one of the few teams where his raw, but obvious potential could be tapped at least on a limited basis in 2005. It all depends on which Aaron Brooks shows up from week to week, but if McPherson can handle the playbook and show head coach Jim Haslett the ability to handle the mental aspects of the job, it\'s not a stretch to say he could leapfrog backup Todd Bouman and challenge for starting reps at some point. If McPherson flashes some of his eye-opening athleticism in the preseason, giving the Saints a taste of his talent for making plays, the quarterback decision could be more difficult than anyone imagines in the Big Easy.

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LOL, 4 more years of unimproved QB play and I\'m moving to Panthers Huddle!

(my #17 jersey size is XL, please...) ;)

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