Can I finally vent about
 

Chase Lyman. What a waste. And when Roydell Williams was mentioned as a better option, there was a playing hometown favorites sentiment. First practice? That is unreal and has to be some kinda record right? Yikes. Also read this: Saints notebook


I am certainly glad he has played through it the past 3 years at OU, but chronic knee condition is not what I wanna hear for any Saints player(see Grant, Cie).

I thought the thing about Lyman was a joke. I mean, it couldn't possibly happen this way after the fans have pretty much gone ballistic over drafting an injury prone WR, could it? Apparently it can.

When is Mickey going to learn? I guess watching Grant go to injury reserve hasn't been enough of a warning about the ills of drafting injury prone players.

It is, except it's on the fans. lol

The Brown news has me worried too. I mean, the guy was a stud for three years after this came up, but then he wasn't playing NFL ball was he?

You never know. One leg whip or chop and who knows???

It has me a little worried. You guys think that the Lyman thing is why three of our scouts "left"?

They were probably tired of not being listened to. From what I read, they were offered more to stay, but chose to leave anyway. Some of our recent picks have been head scratchers, and it may have been through no fault of the scouts. If your opinion isn't respected, then basically your job isn;t being respected and they chose to move on. But the Brown thing has me worried too. *Fingers crossed*

Didn't know that they were offered more to stay.

What does that tell you about Loomis? M-I-C-K-E-Y..... m-o-u-s-eeeeeee!!!! (just for SF)

My bad Who. False info. Here's the story:

They had better offers(don't know if this means more money or better teams or a better job position), but were offered extensions here that they turned down. But two others are gone and I couldn't find anything on it. Still seems like a lot of turnover in the scouting department and in the case of a couple, not much love lost since they turned down extensions.

If we were going to gamble with the fourth pick we should have gone with Antajj Hawthorne from Wisconsin. At least we would have filled a need at DT. If you don't know, he was considered a first round pick until he tested positive for marijuana at the combine.

i agree....chase is just another wasted pick to me......like cie grant........

i wish i had saw this post before my dumb one but you are right on bro. it is a wasted pick. the best thing to me or the funniest is that it is xactly what he has had problems with. when a player has constant kneee problems they are done playing. look at davis the former great rb of denver. cdonstant knee problems should never be drafted. now im not going to take that stance with brown because he wasnt hurt every year like lyman. to be ho9nest im not even worried about brown. if you have severe knee problems you dont play through that. so im not worried about him at all. now that probally means he will be out for the season lol. lyman i just scratch my head on

What is it that surprizes you guys? Over and over the comments on this board and others remain constant. Loomis is a FOOL!! This team is in the toilet big time with him as GM! All of the talk about wasted draft choices, busts, and the rest fall on his shoulders. He is a cap man, not a talent evaluator. The scouts quit because he refuses to listen to people who know more than he does.

Then when the set of stumble bums that we have on the team fail, he blames the coaches. But he makes sure where his head is firmly placed. Right up Uncle Tommy's tail.

We're hosed.

another good post. thats funny. i think we are alright. i think we have a real shot this year because of our o line. of course a lot depends on brown. i have to say that i honestly think we are a better team going into this year then last. i guess we will see.

Do you know for a fact that Loomis is the one picking the players who get drafted?

I know how recruiting goes in H.S. and college, because I've been around it, but I have not been around NFL scouting/drafting... yet I cannot believe that the coaching staff has no input on who gets picked...

Tobias!

I really don't know who is making the calls here. One thing that I do know is that whoever is making the calls is not in touch with the needs of this team. We desparately need linebacking help and we draft a tackle. We needed a CB 2 years ago and we wasted 2 draft picks on a buffet bunny. There have been three scouts quit, for what ever reason. Over and over you see things that seem to say that the coaching staff doesn't have an input in the draft. Why, when we have had such glaring needs elsewhere did we draft Will Smith. Darren Howard was a stud, according to all of the suits in the front office, they even Franchised him. Then they get a DE first. Same thing with Henderson. When we could have had Mark Clayton, by far the better receiver and Smith would have stayed for round #2. This says to me that someone don't know what they're doing.

Now this fiasco.

BlackEye. I agree whole heartedly!

Couple things.
WhoDat,
Haslett anounced several weeks before the draft that there was going to be changes in the scouting department. They wanted to wait until after the draft since things were already set to go. All of it was expected. If this was Septamber you wouldn't have even heard about it. I swear you guys kill me. We could let Venturi leave and some of you would insist we must have screwed up somehow.

The fact that Brown NEVER EVEN MISSED A PRACTICE IN THREE YEARS tells me its a non-issue. Slow day for news I guess. But if there's a negative buried anywhere on any player I'm absolutely positive it'll surface here first. Man I'm glad to be back. Back away from the ledge fellas.


Tigger,
Chase Lyman pick is totally different from the Cie Grant pick. Cie was not an injury risk when we selected him. His knee problems started in pre-season. No comparison at all. By ALL accounts Cie Grant was kickin it and taking names before his knee problems surfaced.

RDOX
Do you really think Will Smith would have been around in round two? You must mean a different Smith.
Mark Clayton instead of Henderson? Wasn't Clayton in the 2004 draft? Or do you mean Michael Clayton? He was picked before we picked so that can't be it. was there yet another Clayton in the the 2003 draft?

Couple things.
WhoDat,
Haslett anounced several weeks before the draft that there was going to be changes in the scouting department. They wanted to wait until after the draft since things were already set to go. All of it was expected. If this was Septamber you wouldn't have even heard about it. I swear you guys kill me. We could let Venturi leave and some of you would insist we must have screwed up somehow.

The fact that Brown NEVER EVEN MISSED A PRACTICE IN THREE YEARS tells me its a non-issue. Slow day for news I guess. But if there's a negative buried anywhere on any player I'm absolutely positive it'll surface here first. Man I'm glad to be back. Back away from the ledge fellas.


Tigger,
Chase Lyman pick is totally different from the Cie Grant pick. Cie was not an injury risk when we selected him. His knee problems started in pre-season. No comparison at all. By ALL accounts Cie Grant was kickin it and taking names before his knee problems surfaced.

RDOX
Do you really think Will Smith would have been around in round two? You must mean a different Smith.
Mark Clayton instead of Henderson? Wasn't Clayton in the 2004 draft? Or do you mean Michael Clayton? He was picked before we picked so that can't be it. was there yet another Clayton in the the 2003 draft?

Whoa - calm it down Danno. I just asked a question. You're already fired up - got some pent up rage man? :evil:

All I asked was whether anyone thought that the Chase pick, which was clearly a bad one and was questioned the second it was made by a whole lot of people, might have affected the exit of these scouts shortly after the draft. That's not so unreasonable.

THANK GOD THIS IS BACK UP!!!


When I read the news about Chase Lymon I immediately wanted to run to my computer and log on to the B&G board to say, "SEE!!! WHAT THE F*** WERE THEY THINKING WHEN THEY PICKED HIM?"

Of course, there was no B&G board that day. It's been eating me up ever since then. BlackEye I think Hawthorne would have been a much better pick at that spot, despite his smoking habit. Here is a guy who was at one time predicted as a first rounder. Lymon missed OVER HALF OF THE GAMES IN HIS COLLEGE CAREER DUE TO INJURY. OVER HALF...

I don't know why the scouts left. I don't know who is ultimately responsible for the draft picks. I do know that Chase Lyman is the pick that has probably bothered me the most in the past couple of drafts.


... AND I'M GLAD THE B&G.NET MSGBOARD IS BACK.