Nick Underhill: Saints defense looked much better against Cardinals, but QB struggles bring new crop of questions

jeanpierre · 08-18-2018, 12:19 AM

jeanpierre · 08-18-2018, 12:22 AM

BY NICK UNDERHILL | NUNDERHILL@THEADVOCATE.COM AUG 17, 2018 - 11:45 PM

Start with the good.

The New Orleans Saints defense looked much better than it did a week ago. The group was organized, generated pressure and got off the field on third down on each of the first two drives it defended during Friday night's 20-15 preseason home loss to the Arizona Cardinals.

It was about as good as you could ask for from the first-team defense.

One of the big takeaways from the performance is that defensive end Trey Hendrickson has probably flown under the radar too much in training camp. He was consistently in the backfield against Arizona and made a good play to get off the field on the Cardinals' second drive, blowing up tight end Ricky Seals-Jones and dropping Cardinals running back David Johnson for a 1-yard loss on third down.

Hendrickson had a similarly strong performance against Jacksonville. Right now, it looks like the Saints could have a decent rotation of defensive ends if Alex Okafor, who suffered an injury in practice Wednesday, gets healthy. It will be even better if rookie Marcus Davenport gets healthy and up to speed, but he remains out of action.

But the bad? The bad was probably as bad as it can be. Reserve quarterback Taysom Hill was as hyped as any player on the team, and he just didn’t look the part Friday night.

That didn't look like a quarterback who could develop into an eventual starter. He seemed like a guy who struggled with the moment. This might be an overreaction to the moment, of course, but the first impression was really bad.

Two fumbled snaps on play-action fakes. Two interceptions, one of which was Hill's fault. That isn’t good enough. That doesn’t look like a guy who you could trust to come in as Drew Brees' backup. Hill needs to do a lot of improving. The inclination was to focus on the good things he did against Jacksonville, but perhaps that was the wrong approach.

Williams starts well
Running back Jonathan Williams was rewarded for his performance in the preseason opener against the Jaguars by working some with the first-team offense against the Cardinals. He responded with two good carries while running behind the starting offensive line.

His first one gained 7 yards, and then he came back to pick up 19 on his next carry after breaking a pair of tackles on his way down the field. Things didn’t go as well once he was behind the second offensive line, and it looked like Williams missed a blitz pickup during the second quarter.

Mark Ingram still looked like the most dynamic back on the field. He picked up a solid 32 yards on seven carries. Williams had a pair of solid carries. Does that set him ahead of the others? He probably maintained his spot in the pecking order. Still, it would be good to see him get a couple more touches with the starters next week against the Chargers during joint practices and the game.

Bunched up
The Saints had issues defending bunch formations last year, surrendering 22 catches on 25 targets for 187 yards. The same problem showed up when Arizona's Gabe Holmes caught a pass out of the look for a gain of 17.

But perhaps New Orleans deserves a pass on this one: Linebacker Manti Te’o was picked, which freed up the wide receiver to get open down the field. Other than that, the first-team defense appeared organized and didn’t have the same issues it experienced last week against Jacksonville when it blew a couple of coverages. Positive steps forward for the group.

Bad timing
Hopefully it isn’t bad for Devaroe Lawrence. He was pretty far down the radar before the Jacksonville game. Then he showed up with a pair of sacks last week. He came back in the first half against Arizona with a tipped pass at the line of scrimmage and then put a linenab on skates for a pressure right at the end of the second quarter.

Lawrence had just made another tackle before being knocked out of action in the third quarter. This looked like a guy climbing the depth chart. The hope has to be that he avoided significant injury.

Wide reviews
It was good to see Cam Meredith back in action for the Saints after he battled a minor injury last week. New Orleans is expecting him to be a significant piece of the offense. He's on the hook for one of Hill's interceptions. The ball hit Meredith square in the hands and then popped up for an interception. It was his only target of the game. Rookie Tre'Quan Smith, however, continues to impress. He made a 24-yard reception on an in route late in the first half, and then gained 17 yards on a crossing route. Smith has been the team's big-play guy this preseason.

dizzle88 · 08-18-2018, 08:35 AM

Hendrickson played with fire, he looked much more comfortable and was in the backfield the majority of his playing time.

The roughing penalty they called on him was absolute BS, the QB hadn't even let go of the ball yet and lowered his head when he saw Hendrickson in his face.

Barry from MS · 08-18-2018, 09:13 AM

I'm good with Hendrickson playing opposite Cam. I saw him at least twice set the edge on run plays against the 1s & he made an unassisted tackle on one of them. Quick off the snap, too.

If Lawrence don't make the 53 he ain't gonna be on the PS for long...he's been lights out. Stallworth & Loewen are playing very well, too.

Still unimpressed with Klien, and Kikaha looks slow, slow, slow. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if Kikaha gets to watch this season from the couch.

st thomas · 08-18-2018, 09:39 AM

looks like kikatha's knee injuries in college and here have caught up with the record setting sack man out of wash. really hoped for the best of him, but if he gets the axe .he could fill a hole if needed.

K Major · 08-22-2018, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Stallworth & Loewen are playing very well, too.

Still unimpressed with Klien, and Kikaha looks slow, slow, slow. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if Kikaha gets to watch this season from the couch.

I think Loewen is ahead of Kikaha & Johnson.

As for Devaroe ... I know some will say that "he was making plays against the "2's", but you can only line up against what ever is in front of you. 5 tackles, 3 solo and a sack? He's disruptive and hungry.

Barry from MS · 08-22-2018, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I think Loewen is ahead of Kikaha & Johnson.

As for Devaroe ... I know some will say that "he was making plays against the "2's", but you can only line up against what ever is in front of you. 5 tackles, 3 solo and a sack? He's disruptive and hungry.

Got that right. Devaroe is so young but he's playing lights out. Great motor. Don't matter if its against the 2s...man is just playing ball & making plays.

And, yeah, I'd take Loewen over Kikaha & Johnson. He's freaking everywhere. Hard to teach football instincts, but he's gottem out the wazoo. Really love these effort guys, and it seems we're stocking piling them. Our cuts are gonna be interesting.

jeanpierre · 08-19-2018, 04:18 AM

Hendrickson is playing like a guy out to prove he's not going to be a career backup but a legit starter; knew this when I scouted him last year...

Plus I'm sentimental about his selection as I won a free CD because of it...

AsylumGuido · 08-22-2018, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Hendrickson is playing like a guy out to prove he's not going to be a career backup but a legit starter; knew this when I scouted him last year...

Plus I'm sentimental about his selection as I won a free CD because of it...

That you did.

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WillMacKenzie · 08-19-2018, 02:44 PM

Anyone concerned about our front 7 getting bulldozed 5 yards into the endzone?

That play in particular bothered me

08-18-2018, 12:19 AM	#1
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08-18-2018, 12:22 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Nick Underhill: Saints defense looked much better against Cardinals, but QB struggles bring new crop of questions BY NICK UNDERHILL \| NUNDERHILL@THEADVOCATE.COM AUG 17, 2018 - 11:45 PM Start with the good. The New Orleans Saints defense looked much better than it did a week ago. The group was organized, generated pressure and got off the field on third down on each of the first two drives it defended during Friday night's 20-15 preseason home loss to the Arizona Cardinals. It was about as good as you could ask for from the first-team defense. One of the big takeaways from the performance is that defensive end Trey Hendrickson has probably flown under the radar too much in training camp. He was consistently in the backfield against Arizona and made a good play to get off the field on the Cardinals' second drive, blowing up tight end Ricky Seals-Jones and dropping Cardinals running back David Johnson for a 1-yard loss on third down. Hendrickson had a similarly strong performance against Jacksonville. Right now, it looks like the Saints could have a decent rotation of defensive ends if Alex Okafor, who suffered an injury in practice Wednesday, gets healthy. It will be even better if rookie Marcus Davenport gets healthy and up to speed, but he remains out of action. But the bad? The bad was probably as bad as it can be. Reserve quarterback Taysom Hill was as hyped as any player on the team, and he just didn’t look the part Friday night. That didn't look like a quarterback who could develop into an eventual starter. He seemed like a guy who struggled with the moment. This might be an overreaction to the moment, of course, but the first impression was really bad. Two fumbled snaps on play-action fakes. Two interceptions, one of which was Hill's fault. That isn’t good enough. That doesn’t look like a guy who you could trust to come in as Drew Brees' backup. Hill needs to do a lot of improving. The inclination was to focus on the good things he did against Jacksonville, but perhaps that was the wrong approach. Williams starts well Running back Jonathan Williams was rewarded for his performance in the preseason opener against the Jaguars by working some with the first-team offense against the Cardinals. He responded with two good carries while running behind the starting offensive line. His first one gained 7 yards, and then he came back to pick up 19 on his next carry after breaking a pair of tackles on his way down the field. Things didn’t go as well once he was behind the second offensive line, and it looked like Williams missed a blitz pickup during the second quarter. Mark Ingram still looked like the most dynamic back on the field. He picked up a solid 32 yards on seven carries. Williams had a pair of solid carries. Does that set him ahead of the others? He probably maintained his spot in the pecking order. Still, it would be good to see him get a couple more touches with the starters next week against the Chargers during joint practices and the game. Bunched up The Saints had issues defending bunch formations last year, surrendering 22 catches on 25 targets for 187 yards. The same problem showed up when Arizona's Gabe Holmes caught a pass out of the look for a gain of 17. But perhaps New Orleans deserves a pass on this one: Linebacker Manti Te’o was picked, which freed up the wide receiver to get open down the field. Other than that, the first-team defense appeared organized and didn’t have the same issues it experienced last week against Jacksonville when it blew a couple of coverages. Positive steps forward for the group. Bad timing Hopefully it isn’t bad for Devaroe Lawrence. He was pretty far down the radar before the Jacksonville game. Then he showed up with a pair of sacks last week. He came back in the first half against Arizona with a tipped pass at the line of scrimmage and then put a linenab on skates for a pressure right at the end of the second quarter. Lawrence had just made another tackle before being knocked out of action in the third quarter. This looked like a guy climbing the depth chart. The hope has to be that he avoided significant injury. Wide reviews It was good to see Cam Meredith back in action for the Saints after he battled a minor injury last week. New Orleans is expecting him to be a significant piece of the offense. He's on the hook for one of Hill's interceptions. The ball hit Meredith square in the hands and then popped up for an interception. It was his only target of the game. Rookie Tre'Quan Smith, however, continues to impress. He made a 24-yard reception on an in route late in the first half, and then gained 17 yards on a crossing route. Smith has been the team's big-play guy this preseason.
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08-18-2018, 08:35 AM	#3
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Nick Underhill: Saints defense looked much better against Cardinals, but QB struggles bring new crop of questions Hendrickson played with fire, he looked much more comfortable and was in the backfield the majority of his playing time. The roughing penalty they called on him was absolute BS, the QB hadn't even let go of the ball yet and lowered his head when he saw Hendrickson in his face. Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-18-2018, 09:13 AM	#4
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Nick Underhill: Saints defense looked much better against Cardinals, but QB struggles bring new crop of questions I'm good with Hendrickson playing opposite Cam. I saw him at least twice set the edge on run plays against the 1s & he made an unassisted tackle on one of them. Quick off the snap, too. If Lawrence don't make the 53 he ain't gonna be on the PS for long...he's been lights out. Stallworth & Loewen are playing very well, too. Still unimpressed with Klien, and Kikaha looks slow, slow, slow. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if Kikaha gets to watch this season from the couch. jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II, st thomas and 2 others like this.

08-18-2018, 09:39 AM	#5
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Nick Underhill: Saints defense looked much better against Cardinals, but QB struggles bring new crop of questions looks like kikatha's knee injuries in college and here have caught up with the record setting sack man out of wash. really hoped for the best of him, but if he gets the axe .he could fill a hole if needed.

08-22-2018, 02:54 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Nick Underhill: Saints defense looked much better against Cardinals, but QB struggles bring new crop of questions Originally Posted by Barry from MS Stallworth & Loewen are playing very well, too. Still unimpressed with Klien, and Kikaha looks slow, slow, slow. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if Kikaha gets to watch this season from the couch. I think Loewen is ahead of Kikaha & Johnson. As for Devaroe ... I know some will say that "he was making plays against the "2's", but you can only line up against what ever is in front of you. 5 tackles, 3 solo and a sack? He's disruptive and hungry.

08-22-2018, 03:36 PM	#7
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Nick Underhill: Saints defense looked much better against Cardinals, but QB struggles bring new crop of questions Originally Posted by K Major I think Loewen is ahead of Kikaha & Johnson. As for Devaroe ... I know some will say that "he was making plays against the "2's", but you can only line up against what ever is in front of you. 5 tackles, 3 solo and a sack? He's disruptive and hungry. Got that right. Devaroe is so young but he's playing lights out. Great motor. Don't matter if its against the 2s...man is just playing ball & making plays. And, yeah, I'd take Loewen over Kikaha & Johnson. He's freaking everywhere. Hard to teach football instincts, but he's gottem out the wazoo. Really love these effort guys, and it seems we're stocking piling them. Our cuts are gonna be interesting.

08-19-2018, 04:18 AM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Nick Underhill: Saints defense looked much better against Cardinals, but QB struggles bring new crop of questions Hendrickson is playing like a guy out to prove he's not going to be a career backup but a legit starter; knew this when I scouted him last year... Plus I'm sentimental about his selection as I won a free CD because of it... Barry from MS, AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.

08-22-2018, 02:48 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Nick Underhill: Saints defense looked much better against Cardinals, but QB struggles bring new crop of questions Originally Posted by jeanpierre Hendrickson is playing like a guy out to prove he's not going to be a career backup but a legit starter; knew this when I scouted him last year... Plus I'm sentimental about his selection as I won a free CD because of it... That you did. Cameron Merrell - iTunes Music jeanpierre likes this.

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WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Nick Underhill: Saints defense looked much better against Cardinals, but QB struggles bring new crop of questions Anyone concerned about our front 7 getting bulldozed 5 yards into the endzone? That play in particular bothered me

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