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Whether it turns into something or not, Saints are evaluating all options at wide receiver
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BY NICK UNDERHILL | NUNDERHILL@THEADVOCATE.COM AUG 25, 2018 - 11:59 PM
CARSON, Calif. — It looked done. Maybe done is too strong of a word, but it was close. Until Saturday night, no one had ever considered the possibility that someone other than Michael Thomas, Cam Meredith, Ted Ginn Jr. or Tre’Quan Smith would lock down one of the top four receiver spots. Then Saturday came, and Austin Carr was playing with the first team against Los Angeles Chargers. It didn’t mean anything, right? Sometimes the coaching staff likes to do things as an experiment or to work a specific situation, sort of like running a draw play to Mark Ingram on third-and-7 like they did Saturday night. “The depth chart is written in chalk,” coach Sean Payton said when asked if the battle at wide receiver is ongoing. “It’s not permanent ink.” So, after talking a week ago about how the play at wide receiver has been underwhelming and lamenting the mistakes made by those players, Payton let the group know nothing is promised to any of them. Does that mean that someone other than the presumed four will be at the top of the rotation? The fact this topic has come up after each of the last two games, it feels like this is now a little more serious than using the media as a motivational tactic. It seems like Payton and his staff really are evaluating all options. Now, smart money says the presumed four guys figure out whatever they need to figure out and lock down the jobs, but this isn’t a good year to be slipping up at wide receiver (or, really, any number of positions). There is a lot of talent at the position and someone like Carr, who stuck around for a whole season despite not making any meaningful contributions, has been waiting all summer for an opportunity to show what he can do. When he got it, he stepped up and caught three passes for 38 yards. In some regards, this group of receivers is deeper than most seasons. Drew Brees said after the game that he sees seven or eight players who deserve to make the team. At best, that number shouldn’t exceed six, and some years it has been as low as four. And there is something to be said for experience, which is something Carr possesses and only helps his cause. “I feel like there are some guys who have been in the system a little bit and maybe they have two years of practice squad experience under their belt or a year of playing in a limited role,” Brees said. “Bottom line is that they have a couple years in our system and they become more confident and have more of a comfort level, not just in the system but with me. “I feel like I have good chemistry with a lot of guys and I wish we can keep them all.” It makes the next week of practices all the more interesting. Leading up to Saturday, it was easy to dismiss a miscommunication like the one between Brees and Meredith that led to an interception last week as something that would get cleaned up. The same goes for Ginn lining up wrong during a recent practice or Smith messing up his splits the previous game. But at a certain point, the coaching staff has to start demanding more and repeat offenders have to be weeded out. This offense is all about timing. Quite often, Brees is throwing passes based on how the defense is playing something. If the receivers are not lined up correctly, those throws fall incomplete or worse. That’s where trust comes into play. It probably hasn’t reached the point where any of the top four players have fallen that far out of favor, but time is almost up, and the issues must resolve quickly. Whether or not Carr actually makes the team or someone loses snaps is up in the air. But this is much is clear: The Saints are expecting more from their receivers than they’re getting. |
Re: Whether it turns into something or not, Saints are evaluating all options at wide receiver
The last two weeks, from my vantage point, Tre'Quan was passing Ted Ginn as the Z-receiver on the depth chart...
Ginn may end up being a cap savings move if he doesn't get lined up right and doesn't finish plays with max effort... |
Re: Whether it turns into something or not, Saints are evaluating all options at wide receiver
Another reason to support the argument that Tre'Quan is passing Ginn on the chart...
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Re: Whether it turns into something or not, Saints are evaluating all options at wide receiver
I would start Thomas, Smith and Carr. Ginn makes the squad. Let's end that conversation. He's too valuable overall. Meredith just isn't ready yet and after his injury, it's understandable. But, to me, that's five locks. TLL deserves a spot for his versatility. But, Scott can handle the return duties as the 4th RB. And I think he should be the returner. He looks natural and runs north/south. So, it's a numbers game for TLL. My guess is he gets cut.
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I would not at all say that Ginn is safe. We’ve traded away Jimmy Graham, Darren Sproles and Brandin Cooks at the height of their success with us so it’s crazy to think we can’t move on from Ginn.
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Trading players at the "Height" of their careers, remind you of any coach who wears a hoodie and doesn't say anything at his pressers?
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Not reading through the cut and paste stuff but Cameron Meridith is buried deeep on the WR corp, which I stated very clearly would happen. Great on a garbage team but won't cut it here. He makes the team by default just like he become a WR in Chicago. He's not going to cut it unless we have a lead in the 4th. But I'm the devil.
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Cam became expendible when Tre'Quan exploded this TC. I mean, Meredith doesn't even have a catch in 3 preseason games. Carr is ahead of him as is TLL. Unless they're hiding him on purpose, Cam is bubbly.
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Where's Coleman.
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Smith and Carr are the real deal. I wasn't sure about Smith but Carr I was talking about last year. If not for getting signed so late he would have been the slot last year. Both will make this team. Cam could work out later in the season but right now, not gonna happen. He has to learn how to fight for the ball. There won't be any Chicago garbage time here. |
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I said a few weeks back that I thought the only way they would even entertain the idea of cutting Ginn would be if Tre Smith proved he could be the new deep weapon. I think he's proven that and more. Ginn has a full season in this offense and they talked often about how smart he is. You wouldn't know either of these things just judging him by this preseason. I don't think his job is nearly as safe as it was a few weeks ago.
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It's healthy that the competition is this tight for positions 2-5/6; and with one cut down, suspect many late round trades on cut down day next week...
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Smith, Ginn, Thomas, meridith appear to be locks. Lewis and Carr seem to be fighting for that #5 spot. I’m hoping we carry 6 but it’s doubtful wth the rbs we split out.
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I'd be very surprised if Ted Ginn Jr is cut.
Up to this point, you simply have to be patient with Meredith. It takes a while to get back to game speed after tearing ACL's/MCL's. I'm certain coach Payton understands this. I like Tate on kick offs/punts. He's a saavy vet & makes good decisions back there. Just don't feel as comfortable with Tommy Lee back there. Lacks vision. |
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Yeah I don't know if you cut Ginn at this point...
Someone will pick him up and I don't think we can have enough deep threat options especially if we get hit with injuries. Worse case we just take Bree's out and cut all the WR's. Put Hill in he'll just run the ball himself, lol. |
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I have a feeling that we will be better on third downs this year. Even with average tight ends we still have the height at wide receiver to work efficiently. I would also imagine that we will be much better in the red zone this year with these tall fast receivers who fight for the ball.
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