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jeanpierre 08-26-2018 06:49 AM

Saints quarterback Taysom Hill bounces back with performance that highlights his unique potential
 

jeanpierre 08-26-2018 06:57 AM

Re: Saints quarterback Taysom Hill bounces back with performance that highlights his unique potential
 
BY JOEL A. ERICKSON | JERICKSON@THEADVOCATE.COM AUG 25, 2018 - 11:45 PM

CARSON, Calif. — When Taysom Hill trotted into the game to take over for Tom Savage in the third quarter of Saturday night's preseason game, Drew Brees leaned over to Mark Ingram with a smile and started listing off all the things the second-year quarterback had already done.

Hill had picked up a first down on a fake punt. Minutes later, he'd made a tackle racing down in kickoff coverage, and he'd taken just about every special-teams snap in the first half.

If Hill could just throw for a touchdown and run for a touchdown in his time at quarterback, Brees told Ingram, he'd have the kind of stat line nobody ever puts together in the NFL.

Then Hill went out and did it.

One week after stumbling in his first NFL start, Hill turned in a performance against Los Angeles that both highlights the tantalizing possibilities of his athletic and ability and illustrates the difficult path he's been asked to navigate.

"Imagine the load that's on you as a quarterback," Brees said. "And then couple that with being a four-core special-teams guy. There's a lot on that guy's plate, and he's handled it as well as anybody can handle it."

Hill's task was made even more difficult this week because of what happened the last time he took the field. Offered a chance to prove himself against a No. 1 NFL defense, Hill turned the ball over four times against Arizona, a performance that started with bad luck and seemed to spiral from there.

Bouncing back from a rough outing like that is no easy task for a quarterback.

But Hill has now spent the better part of a year watching a master.

"Overall, it's having the same mentality," Hill said. "Staying constant is something that Drew does really well, and I had a unique opportunity to see him do that all season last year."

Hill is so good on special teams — veteran coach Mike Westhoff has praised him profusely, vowing not to let the offense take Hill off of the kicking units — that it's easy to believe he might have been OK merely bulling his way for the first down on the fake punt and making a tackle on the kickoff.

A lot of players like Hill, undrafted free agents desperate for a chance, build their careers in the NFL on special teams.

And Hill is good enough that he could be the kind of special teamer who can become a fan favorite, a player like former Saint Steve Gleason or New England specialist Matthew Slater or Buffalo Bills legend Steve Tasker.

"There's something he brings to the team that carries and permeates through the sideline," Saints head coach Sean Payton said. "When you see a quarterback who's down making a tackle as one of the faster players on the coverage units. ... there's a spirit about him that I think is contagious and good."

For Hill, though, playing special teams is fun, a way to help the team and unleash some of his athleticism while he pursues his ultimate goal.

"Look, in the long run, I want to play quarterback," Hill said. "Being able to operate efficiently and effectively inside this offense has always been my mindset in this training camp."

Hill did not get a chance to play against the Los Angeles starters on Sunday night, but once he took the reins of the offense, he erased some of last week's start with the kind of efficient, effective performance he craves.

First, Hill used his signature athleticism to score a rushing touchdown from 11 yards out, but it wasn't a case of a dual-threat quarterback leaning on his legs as a crutch.

This time Hill used his wheels to turn a broken play into something beautiful.

"They covered everything pretty well, and as I'm looking through my progression, as a dual-threat guy, you're always the last option," Hill said. "As I'm moving, I'm still trying to get the ball in the end zone, and nothing came open."

Hill has an extra option available to him that Brees and fellow backup Tom Savage rarely consider.

But he knows it must be a last resort, and he carried just three times as the quarterback on Saturday night. Hill did most of his damage against Los Angeles as a passer, completing 7 of 8 passes for 66 yards and a late 5-yard touchdown pass to Tre'Quan Smith that featured him buying a little time and space with his feet before finding the open man.

"I think there are defensive looks that are more conducive for a quarterback to run the ball, and there can be some times when it's difficult to not do that when you can get a big gain, but overall, I think my mindset is to stick to what the play is, let the play run its course," Hill said. "If they cover a play, then make them pay."

Hill might not be ready to be Brees' primary backup this season. Savage was the next man up after Brees on Saturday, and the former Texans quarterback seems a little more polished in the role.

But Hill will have a key place on this Saints team as he continues to pursue his ultimate goal.

"I can't say enough about him, his contributions to the team, his mindset, his work ethic, his unselfishness," Brees said. "He wants to play quarterback, he loves playing quarterback, and he's making strides, he's developing a comfort level in this offense."

Enough of a comfort level that his primary goal, playing quarterback in the NFL, appears to be firmly in play."

RailBoss 08-26-2018 08:40 AM

Re: Saints quarterback Taysom Hill bounces back with performance that highlights his unique potential
 
QB depth is pretty clear, we're in much better shape than this season.

Barry from MS 08-26-2018 09:58 AM

Re: Saints quarterback Taysom Hill bounces back with performance that highlights his unique potential
 
Is Hill the 1st Saint to run & throw for a TD and make a special teams tackle in the same game? Could be a good trivia question 20 yrs from now.

vpheughan 08-26-2018 12:56 PM

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Don't forget to add run for a 1st down on a fake punt and convert on a 2 point conversion too. I wonder if he can place kick?

jeanpierre 08-26-2018 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 809515)
Is Hill the 1st Saint to run & throw for a TD and make a special teams tackle in the same game? Could be a good trivia question 20 yrs from now.

Maybe first player in the NFL, in the modern era of football...

The Dude 08-26-2018 02:29 PM

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Yea, now I’m kinda liking what I see. Definitely not the future but as a whole package he is a hell of a player. He could keep us competitive if Brees has to miss a couple games.

frydaddy 08-26-2018 02:41 PM

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Yeah, he looked pretty good against 3rd stringers. As he did in the first game. His athleticism alone is superior to that of the competition he faces in these late game situations. But it was a very different story when he was facing guys who match or exceed his athleticism.

Honestly, I like the guy and I want him to succeed. I think he's a fantastic special teams player and a dangerous weapon when it comes to trick plays. And I still think he'd make one hell of a slot receiver. But last night didn't do anything to convince me that he's the heir apparent, or even that he's ready for the #2 role. I think he could potentially ascend to that spot in another couple of years if he works his ass off for it, but I still don't think he'd be ready to take over when Brees retires. He's most likely several years away from any chance at being a starter, and he's already 28. I just don't see it. And when you consider that they're letting him play ST, where some of the most violent hits occur, it sure doesn't seem like the coaching staff believes much differently than I do.

QBREES9 08-26-2018 03:05 PM

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I like him, It was great to get to watch the game last night and see him play.

Barry from MS 08-26-2018 06:46 PM

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What would be cool is a 2 pt play where Brees, Hill, & Kamara are all in the backfield. Hike to Hill on RPO fake to Kamara & hit Brees in the end zone ala Burton-to-Foles. With MT in the mix & figure out how to get Ingram in the formation and we're cooking.

Starting to sound like The Waterboy coach, and I even have the Roy Orbison tattoo.

saintfan 08-26-2018 06:52 PM

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frydaddy 08-26-2018 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 809561)
What would be cool is a 2 pt play where Brees, Hill, & Kamara are all in the backfield. Hike to Hill on RPO fake to Kamara & hit Brees in the end zone ala Burton-to-Foles. With MT in the mix & figure out how to get Ingram in the formation and we're cooking.

Starting to sound like The Waterboy coach, and I even have the Roy Orbison tattoo.

Sounds like a winner Mr. Coach Klein

Utah_Saint 08-27-2018 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 809539)
Yeah, he looked pretty good against 3rd stringers. As he did in the first game. His athleticism alone is superior to that of the competition he faces in these late game situations. But it was a very different story when he was facing guys who match or exceed his athleticism.

Honestly, I like the guy and I want him to succeed. I think he's a fantastic special teams player and a dangerous weapon when it comes to trick plays. And I still think he'd make one hell of a slot receiver. But last night didn't do anything to convince me that he's the heir apparent, or even that he's ready for the #2 role. I think he could potentially ascend to that spot in another couple of years if he works his ass off for it, but I still don't think he'd be ready to take over when Brees retires. He's most likely several years away from any chance at being a starter, and he's already 28. I just don't see it. And when you consider that they're letting him play ST, where some of the most violent hits occur, it sure doesn't seem like the coaching staff believes much differently than I do.

Definitely worth the roster spot though, to see where his progression takes him.

Euphoria 08-27-2018 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 809532)
Maybe first player in the NFL, in the modern era of football...

We better check the tape because years ago we had Guido Merkins... I think he played every position for us at some point... QB, Punter, Center, RB.

vpheughan 08-27-2018 05:13 PM

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Threw his only two TD passes as a Saint 1982 and 1985 51.5 career QB rating. Caught 2 out of 3 as a Saint. 1981 and 1985.

Rugby Saint II 08-27-2018 05:41 PM

Re: Saints quarterback Taysom Hill bounces back with performance that highlights his unique potential
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 809539)
Yeah, he looked pretty good against 3rd stringers. As he did in the first game. His athleticism alone is superior to that of the competition he faces in these late game situations. But it was a very different story when he was facing guys who match or exceed his athleticism.

Honestly, I like the guy and I want him to succeed. I think he's a fantastic special teams player and a dangerous weapon when it comes to trick plays. And I still think he'd make one hell of a slot receiver. But last night didn't do anything to convince me that he's the heir apparent, or even that he's ready for the #2 role. I think he could potentially ascend to that spot in another couple of years if he works his ass off for it, but I still don't think he'd be ready to take over when Brees retires. He's most likely several years away from any chance at being a starter, and he's already 28. I just don't see it. And when you consider that they're letting him play ST, where some of the most violent hits occur, it sure doesn't seem like the coaching staff believes much differently than I do.

Actually, after his performance last week when he was concentrating on throwing and not running he didn't do as well as he did this game with a little more time. I thought he read his progressions nicely and he ran only when he needed to. He could be groomed to be the heir apparently......possibly.

I like his pocket presence and poise in the pocket. I also think his delivery is crisp and sharp looking.....although not always on target but I believe coach Payton can work with that.

Joe Montana(before Drew came to New Orleans was my all time favorite QB) was replaced by a running QB and had a head coach who was an offensive genius. That franchise evolved and I believe Payton can help the Saints evolve as well. He may not be Bill Walsh but he's a damn good coach!

Barry from MS 08-27-2018 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 809689)
I thought he read his progressions nicely and he ran only when he needed to.

That is what I noticed the most. QBs don't usually get to make a whole bunch of reads on a given play, but he did well hanging in & not bailing too early. Also did well on that 1 screen in/near the red zone...he sold it well. His release is fairly quick, and he doesn't lock onto the checkdown like Savage does.

Still want to see more of J.T., but I get the feeling he'll be on P.S. this year & we'll see more of him next year. He's gonna be valuable for the scout team as we have probs with running QBs.

spkb25 08-27-2018 09:28 PM

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I don't think we should be comparing taysom to Steve Young...

ScottF 08-29-2018 12:00 PM

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The key number that most people miss with Hill is that he just turned 28. He red-shirted, did the LDS mission, and now here he is, a second year player at Chris Weinke age.

I hope we see a lot of him this year, but as QB-of-the-future he is a long, long, shot


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