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jeanpierre 09-09-2018 09:16 AM

How Saints' precocious young defense might take next massive step in 2018
 

jeanpierre 09-09-2018 09:19 AM

Re: How Saints' precocious young defense might take next massive step in 2018
 
BY JOEL A. ERICKSON | jerickson@theadvocate.com Sep 5, 2018 - 8:42 pm

A Saints defense that had spent four seasons wandering in the wilderness finally caught a glimpse of the promised land last season.

Built to last with several savvy moves in free agency, New Orleans needed star power, and a pair of brilliant, ballhawking rookies by the names of Marshon Lattimore and Marcus Williams provided the big plays necessary to transform the Saints defense into a unit that could hold up its end of the bargain in a partnership with Sean Payton's always-explosive offense.

New Orleans finished third in the NFL in interceptions, seventh in opposing passer rating and 17th overall, a far cry from the basement finishes that plagued the Saints for so long.

Now, the Saints hope Dennis Allen's defense can take the next step by surrounding its young core of talent — a group that includes prized first-round pick Marcus Davenport on the line — with a trio of veterans who both fill holes and come bearing Super Bowl experience.

"There’s a calming influence, and there’s a work ethic," Payton said. "There's a lot of things that go into it. The locker room, (showing younger players) how to prepare."

Demario Davis, an attacking, bulldozing linebacker from the New York Jets, brings a presence to the running game the Saints sorely needed after struggling a year ago, but he's also one of the most respected leaders in football off the field, an outspoken member of the Players Coalition.

New Orleans needs Davis's calm off the field and his physical presence on it to set a tone for the rest of the defense.

"You want to inflict fear into your opponent by the way that you play," Davis said. "My biggest thing is, when I turn the tape on, I want to jump out, and I want them to watch 56 the whole game. If they don't, they’ll have a long day."

Safety Kurt Coleman brings savvy to the secondary and Super Bowl experience, the kind of experience that can limit busted coverages and help New Orleans improve on third down.

"The kind of characteristics he had, the traits that he had, he's smart. He plays tough," general manager Mickey Loomis said. "I think he’ll help a young group back there. I know he will."

The same could be said for Patrick Robinson. A disappointment in his first five seasons in New Orleans, Robinson has developed into one of the NFL's best nickel backs in his time away, filling both a need in the secondary and bringing the experience of winning a Super Bowl ring to a young team with designs on football's biggest prize.

"He looks like a guy who’s been there, played that position, and has had that experience," quarterback Drew Brees said. "He’s seen that route and that concept. I see him in his communication. He is much better with his communication with other defensive backs out there on the field. Like when they start seeing different looks and splits, and ‘Hey, watch for this, watch for that.'"

That's the kind of insight that can take this defense to the level.

For the first time in years, the New Orleans defense has the talent to be a top-10 defense; if the Saints' ability to read offenses catches up to its natural ability, the sky is the limit.

Rugby Saint II 09-09-2018 02:55 PM

Re: How Saints' precocious young defense might take next massive step in 2018
 
They will get there eventually. We start slow again. We missed Peat in the line up.

SmashMouth 09-09-2018 02:56 PM

Re: How Saints' precocious young defense might take next massive step in 2018
 
What is this massive step you speak of? :confused:

Rugby Saint II 09-09-2018 03:02 PM

Re: How Saints' precocious young defense might take next massive step in 2018
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 811828)
What is this massive step you speak of? :confused:

It was more like stumbling down the stairs......

K Major 09-09-2018 03:04 PM

Re: How Saints' precocious young defense might take next massive step in 2018
 
I don't believe I heard Demario Davis or Cam Jordan's name called all game.

dizzle88 09-09-2018 03:19 PM

Re: How Saints' precocious young defense might take next massive step in 2018
 
Oh they took a massive step all right, further down the rankings than the 2012 spags D.

blackangold 09-09-2018 03:22 PM

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Lol
Worst D we have had in a long time

Barry from MS 09-09-2018 03:37 PM

Re: How Saints' precocious young defense might take next massive step in 2018
 
Wasn't able to watch (Jags vs NYG). Did the group selfie thingy happen? Just once? If so...embarrassing. Until you are an elite unit, its just more embarrassing doing that when you get fed a 40+ burger.

dizzle88 09-09-2018 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 811878)
Wasn't able to watch (Jags vs NYG). Did the group selfie thingy happen? Just once? If so...embarrassing. Until you are an elite unit, its just more embarrassing doing that when you get fed a 40+ burger.

They had nothing to selfie about, Lattimore, Crawley and Marcus Williams would have been more help laying on the turf every play.

They were all awful

Barry from MS 09-09-2018 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 811881)
They had nothing to selfie about, Lattimore, Crawley and Marcus Williams would have been more help laying on the turf every play.

They were all awful

So this means I can now make the cut at DB? I can fall asleep anywhere.

dizzle88 09-09-2018 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 811915)
So this means I can now make the cut at DB? I can fall asleep anywhere.

Apply dude, Sean will make you change positions though!

Barry from MS 09-09-2018 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 811916)
Apply dude, Sean will make you change positions though!

Crap. I can't play DT.

K Major 09-09-2018 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 811881)
They had nothing to selfie about, Lattimore, Crawley and Marcus Williams would have been more help laying on the turf every play.

They were all awful

They were also humbled. Mike & Desean are two very good NFL WR's.

WHODATINCA 09-09-2018 05:33 PM

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Today was a group effort. D-Line got no push, when they weren't leaking like a sieve. LBs -- did we play any LBs today? Backend, when not being penalized, were mostly a tripping hazard.

MarchingOn 09-09-2018 08:38 PM

Re: How Saints' precocious young defense might take next massive step in 2018
 
I still think the refs throw undeserved or at least questionable flags on Crawley way to often

ChrisXVI 09-09-2018 08:56 PM

Re: How Saints' precocious young defense might take next massive step in 2018
 
This is what happens when your offseason motto is some ego-stroking drivel like “Prove them right!” Come out thinking they’ll just roll out of bed and win on reputation alone.

RailBoss 09-10-2018 12:11 AM

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Pete 09-10-2018 12:34 AM

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Humble Pie was served and force fed..They needed to eat a lil I think.
Selfie boonk/bunk gang rehearsals at practice...C'mon man

nola_swammi 09-10-2018 02:25 AM

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Looking on the bright side. Next week I should be able to get saints defense off waivers for my fantasy team

dizzle88 09-10-2018 03:46 AM

Re: How Saints' precocious young defense might take next massive step in 2018
 
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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 811918)
Crap. I can't play DT.

Neither can any of our D lineman so you'll be okay lol

dam1953 09-10-2018 10:27 AM

Re: How Saints' precocious young defense might take next massive step in 2018
 
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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 812059)
Looking on the bright side. Next week I should be able to get saints defense off waivers for my fantasy team

Look at the bright side - 2. If the D keeps playing like this Brees is going to break Manning’s passing record much sooner than expected.

dam1953 09-10-2018 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 812050)
How Saints' precocious young defense "might" take next massive step in 2018

They did take the next massive step.....backwards.

Rugby Saint II 09-10-2018 02:03 PM

Re: How Saints' precocious young defense might take next massive step in 2018
 
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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 811918)
Crap. I can't play DT.

I'm a space eater.....maybe I'll apply. I could use a game check for doing nothing too.

73Saint 09-10-2018 02:29 PM

Re: How Saints' precocious young defense might take next massive step in 2018
 
So, I guess the Prove Them Right campaign was a failure. Kind of felt like the Do Your Job campaign back when SP was suspended. Matter of fact, that year our home opener was against a rookie RG3 who absolutely torched us.

dizzle88 09-10-2018 05:46 PM

Re: How Saints' precocious young defense might take next massive step in 2018
 
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Originally Posted by 73Saint (Post 812146)
So, I guess the Prove Them Right campaign was a failure. Kind of felt like the Do Your Job campaign back when SP was suspended. Matter of fact, that year our home opener was against a rookie RG3 who absolutely torched us.

All the "prove them right" thing has done is give our Defense an over-inflated ego.

Payton has ran out of ideas, wish we still had GW as a defensive coordinator, he did so much with such little talent and never once stood for any lack of effort.

Until the inevitable happens - Payton gets too involved in the Defense and changes everything, just like the end of 2013 when he got a boner of over Seattle's D and traded Jenkins for Byrd.

st thomas 09-11-2018 09:44 AM

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Why didn’t we just run a prevent and give them 10 yards at a time they couldn’t have scored 48 that way it could have stayed close without. 2 turnovers also too.


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