Fahkir Brown opinoins
 

i would like u guys to respone to those coments.

My response, do it for more than one year Faker. Fred Thomas did it for more than one year. he just seemed to deflate AFTER he got the contract. He's already on the books. Craft has been decent in his role for more than one year. You weren't even the starter all year Faker. McKenzie has been in the pro bowl after matching up with the game's best receiver 2 times a year every year of his career Faker, what you got? Dwight Smith can play corner Faker, what you got? Give me a break you are underpaid. There's a little something called proving it in the NFL, and being a starting corner on the worst yardage defense in the NFL doesn't inspire a lot of eagerness in renegotiating deals for players who may or may not be starting elsewhere. Play this season Faker, play well, and get your payday. Or are you afraid you won't play well and will have your starting job taken by some rookie draft pick next year or some free agent? Well too bad Faker.

What he needs to do is go to Thomas and Craft and demand that they take paycuts so that the Saints can give him a raise therefrom. That'd be fair, right? See, the problem isn't that Brown is underpaid, it is that Thomas and maybe Craft are overpaid for their roster positions.

How about these stats for '04? Fakir Brown, Ints - 2; Ashley Ambrose, Ints - 3; MM, Ints - 5.

Sure Faker wasn't a starter the full year. Neither was Amborse...neither was MM.

Ambrose in 6 games: 9 pass deflections; Brown in 15 games: 12.

I hate if for him but my opinion is that Ambrose is not a good CB anymore. (Sorry AA.) It doesn't look like Brown really did all that much better. Maybe if we'd have simplified the D before AA got hurt, he'd have put up even better numbers.

All just to say...Play out your contract a#$*@&@.

I don't think he wants alot of money but probably more that the league min. that he is probably making. He turned down better offers from other teams because he wanted to stay in N.O. because he knew he would have a chance to start. Hell, he's probably the best tackler we have on the team. They could cut Cie Grant and give Brown his money.

Aaron Brooks whined about money after his third year in the NFL and without having proved himself or shown much progress. His backups were making more than him. He got a top 5 contract. Brown is a 6th year pro, he has shown steady improvement from year to year, and the guys behind him make more. He's probably right to ask for more money. IMO, he deserves it - just not top 5. That leads to calling yourself great while throwing backwards passes. LOL

I can't remember. Did Ab hold out to get that contract? If he did, I think I can still justify AB's new contract over this one. First, Brown is skipping offseason activities without telling the Saints beforehand that he was going to miss and why. Second, he hasn't even been the starter for a full season yet. Sure, he has moved up on the depth chart, but that's all. When he signed the current deal he should have been aware that he might be made a starter yet be paid only by the terms of the contract. AB had been a starter for 2 complete seasons I believe. If not then it was one complete season and a half season which included a playoff appearance and victory. Lastly, it doesn't matter that the other guys are making more. THEY put themselves in position to make the cash and he has not. If he'd simply play out this season and prove that he is a capable starting CB, then I'm sure this problem would be ended.

Agreed Scotty. A half season's worth of work on a last place defense gets you a raise? Huh? I doubt the Saints knew Fred Thomas will fold up his tent once they gave him a new contract to keep the Eagles from taking him. Craft has been a good nickel corner. Brown wasn't even the starter to open the year. One FULL year Faker, show us what you got long term. I still recall Jerry Porter burning you miserably for a TD that almost led the Raiders comeback. Put in a full season bud, I am sure the Saints would love to go into the draft without CB as a number one priority next year, since they never pick one anyway. All you gotta do is prove it.

Regardless of it's the right thing to do or not, the Saints need to play ball with Fahkir.
To make it worse if we don't sign McKenzie to an extension soon, we may be without either starting corner come training camp no matter what McKenzie's tune is now.
I always think players should honor their contracts fully but that just doesn't happen in this league.

Regardless he is still our second best corner. I believe that he should be paid more if the team felt that way also. Paying a nickel CB +2mil a year doesn't make sense considering he never plays anyway. Craft nor Thomas could beat Brown all off season. Because at the beginning of the season Brown was the nickel CB. Brown plays special teams also. I wouldn't want to start the season with Craft as our starter because he plays like he scared of contact anyway.

I think Brown is a decent corner. I can understand why he wants more money, but I can also understand why he may not get it. He has steadily improved since coming to the Saints, however, he hasn't shown that he is worth of a lucritive contract. Brown should have gone into workouts, go into camp and solidify his position as #2 corner, then talk to management about a new deal or an extension. He flat out didn't show up for coaching sessions and didn't tell anyone why. He needs to prove his value, than talk about an extension. Brown simply dosen't have all of the chips in his favor to be holding out. Bad move. I like Brown but he is playing hard ball in the wrong situation. He needs to prove that he is a good corner and show that he can consistently play well before asking for more money. All he is doing now is asking for money he hasn't yet shown that he will earn. And lets face it, with Thomas's deal in the books and T-Sucky's....well suckiness, I think the Saints are going to be a little more careful of how much they are going to be willing to pay a corner right now.

You're right Scotty, you don't remember! ;)

Brooks did hold out during training camp - not only voluntary workout sessions. He let the team know a few days before camp and there was a rush to sign the deal so that he wouldn't miss camp time. I think he only missed a few days, but we're talking training camp.

Second, Brooks got his deal after the 2001 season - his first as a starter. But you're right, it is a little different. I doubt that the Saints intend on shipping Fred Thomas, Ashley Ambrose, and Jason Craft out to other teams, so as to limit competition at corner and ensure that Fahkir knows the spot is his, even if he's injured. :)

Both Jake and Blake were making more than Brooks. Both had put themselves in that position also. I don't see how this is any different. It's a guy who has become a starter making less than his backups whining to get more money. Fahkir is probably justified in whining somewhat. When he starts referring to himself in the third person, calling himself great, and demanding top 5 money, that's when you need to look out. LOL

There's still a bit of difference that makes these two situations too different to compare. Blake was gone by the time AB held out, for one. So, Ab wasn't crying about Blake making more money since he was gone. His only other threat to his starting status was Jake, who obviously wasn't considered by the staff to be a starter in any short term future.

Still, AB had a year and a half as the starter before he asked for the raise. Fakir is where AB was after the 2000 season. I'm sure you'd have gone nuts if he'd have pulled his contract demands after the 2000 season instead since I remember you being pretty upset about his new salary scale anyway. What I've been saying is Fakir needs to wait until he's been a starter for a full season, which is what AB did.

I'm sorry, Fakir, that you've been in the league so long and it took you all this time to finally find a team with CBs so bad that you could be named starter, but you still need to prove that you can beat the scrubs for another year before you get starter pay.

Look you signed a contract -DEAL WITH IT. Uphold your end of the bargin, when the contract is up and you have earned it then you'll get what you are due. I like Craft Starting in place of Brown. Could be a Bluff on Brown's part, I mean sure he may have some leverage and can use some more time off this season so sit out, and hurt the team.

Let's Re-Do Everyone's Deals!!!

I think a lot of these player holdouts are inspired and instigated by the multibillion dollar business of sports agents. Sports agents only get paid once...a percentage of a players contract at signing. Any enterprising sports agent is going to encourage his client to go for a better contract as frequentluy as he thinks he can get away with it...contract be damned.

I think it's interesting that Brown attented offseason conditioning, no problem, with no comment to anyone about a desire for a new contract. Brown STILL hasn't said anything. But his AGENT now says Brown wants more money. Is he being manipulated? Would he have asked for more money if it hadn't been for his agent pressing him?

I think NFL owners ought to get together and make a very public list of agents they won't deal with, regardless of how good the player they represent. Force out these agents that are infamous for gouging teams for money.

When that no talent A** Clown Sullivan doesn't play at all during the season do we get some money back out of his food fund? How about Stinchcomb? I have played in as many games as he has "0". The audacity of these players who make the minimum "1/2 a million dollars" per year and ask for more when they think they deserve it but would never consider giving money back for underperforming really pisses me off.