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SmashMouth 11-13-2018 09:28 PM

Examining Sean Payton's creative use of Taysom Hill
 
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In the vast history of professional football, those who ventured too far from the status quo were often written off as unsustainable. At the same time, being on the bleeding edge of innovation has been the key to sustained success in the NFL. The main difference between the gimmicks and the sound schematic breakthroughs has always been numbers. Can I get more blockers than the defense has defenders? Can I get more receivers in an area than defenders in coverage? If the numbers are even, can my players beat their players? Sound schematic football is any scheme that helps you answer ‘yes’ to the questions above. If a scheme solely relies on the element of surprise to succeed, it’s not going to last.

https://media.profootballfocus.com/2...pg?w=916&h=720

The ‘wildcat’ is one of the most famous examples of a gimmick. It was based on the idea that the quarterback’s role on running plays was a waste, so removing him gave the offense an extra blocker. However, defenses quickly realized that there was no threat of the downfield pass, so they brought all the safeties in the box, which took back the numbers advantage, and the wildcat went the way of the Dodo.

It was a gimmick because it relied on the element of surprise to be successful. However, the wildcat’s demise gave way to the rise of option football, a schematically sound brand of football that utilizes the quarterback to manipulate and potentially remove a defender from either a run or pass play (you can read more about why run options and run-pass options are successful here). The caveat is that it takes an athletic quarterback to make defenses respect all the options. If you have a limited pocket passer, an entire section of the playbook is off-limits.

That is unless you have someone like Taysom Hill. The former BYU quarterback, who was an undrafted free agent in 2017, couldn’t quite hack it under center in Green Bay and was cut before last season. The New Orleans Saints then picked him up and utilized his incredible athleticism (he ran a 4.44 weighing 230 pounds and had a 38.5” vertical at his pro day) on special teams. With Hill on the roster for a whole offseason, Head Coach Sean Payton had the vision to see Hill’s skill set as more than a failed dropback passer.

The New Orleans Saints team is mostly unchanged from a season ago, yet they are on pace to have the third-highest scoring offense in NFL history. Hill isn’t the only driving force behind this, but it’s incredible how much value a player who’s seen all of 113 snaps can bring.

The key has been when he’s utilized. Payton often brings Hill in at quarterback in the most high-leverage situations that occur throughout a football game. Of his 35 snaps at quarterback, 24 have either come on third or fourth down or in the red zone. Options are tremendous in short yardage situations because it forces unblocked defenders to freeze for a split second to figure out who has the ball instead of attacking into the backfield. That’s glaringly obvious on the play below.

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On a 3rd and 2, the unblocked defender tasked with bringing the quarterback down is standing still at the line of scrimmage as Hill pulls the ball down. All Hill needs to do is barrel straight ahead, and he’s undoubtedly going to fall forward for the first down. Plays like that are the most volatile situations for Expected Points Added (EPA is a way of measuring play success based on down/distance/field position) and having someone to execute them successfully is enormous. With Hill lined up at quarterback, the Saints have averaged 0.237 EPA per run (32 runs) and 0.517 EPA per pass (three passes). The league-wide EPA per run play is -0.09 EPA for runs and 0.05 for passes. Even an offense as explosive as the Saints has only averaged -0.01 EPA per run and 0.36 on pass plays. Put simply; Hill has been a cheat code for the Saints when they’ve needed it most.

The whole reason the wildcat fell out of favor – no respectable threat of the pass – is the same reason Hill isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Even with an incredibly high imbalance of runs versus passes with Hill in the game, teams can’t completely ignore the threat of the pass. He may not be able to run any of the same passing plays as Drew Brees, but if you pull your safeties up to account for his running ability, Hill can still easily hit open receivers down the field. On Hill’s 44-yard pass below on a 2nd and 9 against the Vikings, you can see all 11 defenders line up within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage at the snap.

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RailBoss 11-14-2018 12:52 AM

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Seem's like a lot of other teams are trying their hands at variations of SP's Taysom Hill usage.

Saintsfan4ever 11-14-2018 03:08 AM

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Something else that Taysom does well that doesn't get mentioned a lot is he's a good blocker. He finds his blocking assignment and takes his man out of the play every time he's asked to block. So, when he's lined up at TE, Slot, WR, or FB he's not just an offensive target, he's an effective blocker. And that aspect of Taysom's game has yet to be duplicated by a situational run-threat QB... at least none that I'm aware of.

Saint in Aus 11-14-2018 04:02 AM

Examining Sean Payton's creative use of Taysom Hill
 
We will look back on this day as a point in time when New Orleans changed the game.

Garry42 11-14-2018 04:57 AM

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I think using Hill would be even more effective if they took Brees off the field entirely when he is in there at QB. Does anyone think Brees is actually going to run a route and catch a pass? Having him line up as a receiver basically takes the pressure off that side of the defence. JMHO.....

Cruize 11-14-2018 05:09 AM

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With the season going so well and his importance to the short yardage offense, it wouldn't hurt my feelings if he wasn't used on special teams anymore. Less exposure to injury. Now, I'm perfectly fine with him being the only player in Super Bowl history to throw a pass, have a carry, have a catch, return a kickoff, and make a tackle. :)

Saint in Aus 11-14-2018 05:12 AM

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He’s such a big unit (but also athletic) we could almost use him as a TE.

jnormand 11-14-2018 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Garry42 (Post 823885)
I think using Hill would be even more effective if they took Brees off the field entirely when he is in there at QB. Does anyone think Brees is actually going to run a route and catch a pass? Having him line up as a receiver basically takes the pressure off that side of the defence. JMHO.....

Been saying this all year. Take Drew out when Hill is under center. It's a complete waste of a player. And putting a WR out there would make things even more difficult.

SmashMouth 11-14-2018 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Garry42 (Post 823885)
I think using Hill would be even more effective if they took Brees off the field entirely when he is in there at QB. Does anyone think Brees is actually going to run a route and catch a pass? Having him line up as a receiver basically takes the pressure off that side of the defence. JMHO.....

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 823906)
Been saying this all year. Take Drew out when Hill is under center. It's a complete waste of a player. And putting a WR out there would make things even more difficult.

Maybe that's a package that's hidden and ready to go for the SB! :bng:

Garry42 11-14-2018 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 823909)
Maybe that's a package that's hidden and ready to go for the SB! :bng:

Could be, but I just dont see Drew doing a Tom Brady. Who knows though....might be fun to watch!

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Garry42 11-14-2018 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 823906)
Been saying this all year. Take Drew out when Hill is under center. It's a complete waste of a player. And putting a WR out there would make things even more difficult.

That was exactly my point. With Drew in there you dont have a receiver or a blocker.

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TheKillerBs 11-14-2018 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 823906)
Been saying this all year. Take Drew out when Hill is under center. It's a complete waste of a player. And putting a WR out there would make things even more difficult.

Yes, but what happens when the defense completely ignores Drew, and Taysom hits him for 6? It's gonna happen, just watch.

Garry42 11-14-2018 10:07 AM

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Yes, but what happens when the defense completely ignores Drew, and Taysom hits him for 6? It's gonna happen, just watch.

Ok....but it better be in overtime at the Superbowl! :)

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K Major 11-14-2018 10:16 AM

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Yes, but what happens when the defense completely ignores Drew, and Taysom hits him for 6? It's gonna happen, just watch.

I can see that happening too.

BJSim 11-14-2018 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheKillerBs (Post 823918)
Yes, but what happens when the defense completely ignores Drew, and Taysom hits him for 6? It's gonna happen, just watch.

Or as I told my wife to watch this past weekend: Drew is dropping two or three steps back on these play. It'll be the standard and the CB protecting him will have seen it on film studies over and over.

So when Taysom throws it backwards to Drew and he launches it deep for a TD no one will be ready for it. New play, six points.

Thirty3 11-14-2018 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Saint in Aus (Post 823884)
We will look back on this day as a point in time when New Orleans changed the game.

We already have. Before Sean and Drew the philosophy was feed your best player. Now it is spread it around! Alon Saints!

The Dude 11-14-2018 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Garry42 (Post 823885)
I think using Hill would be even more effective if they took Brees off the field entirely when he is in there at QB. Does anyone think Brees is actually going to run a route and catch a pass? Having him line up as a receiver basically takes the pressure off that side of the defence. JMHO.....

Isn’t that basically the idea behind the wildcat? Except the safeties can’t stack the box because they HAVE to respect his ability to go downfield after that pass play to Thomas.

Garry42 11-14-2018 05:32 PM

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Isn’t that basically the idea behind the wildcat? Except the safeties can’t stack the box because they HAVE to respect his ability to go downfield after that pass play to Thomas.

But he hasnt so far. Maybe its a decoy for something unexpected at some point, but so far it just seems like we're a man short.

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TheOak 11-14-2018 07:35 PM

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We are on a Super Bowl run, Sean is doing things intentionally to set up expectations. Taysom was not as active this Sunday as he was in past weeks if you noticed... or maybe I just didnt see it.

saintfan 11-14-2018 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 824006)
We are on a Super Bowl run, Sean is doing things intentionally to set up expectations. Taysom was not as active this Sunday as he was in past weeks if you noticed... or maybe I just didnt see it.

I firmly believe Sean has some unrevealed tricks up his sleeve WRT Taysom that we're not going to see 'til playoff time or some critical games down the stretch. He's setting folks up I tell ya...

SmashMouth 11-14-2018 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 824008)
I firmly believe Sean has some unrevealed tricks up his sleeve WRT Taysom that we're not going to see 'til playoff time or some critical games down the stretch. He's setting folks up I tell ya...

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TheOak 11-15-2018 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 824008)
I firmly believe Sean has some unrevealed tricks up his sleeve WRT Taysom that we're not going to see 'til playoff time or some critical games down the stretch. He's setting folks up I tell ya...

I am fully expecting to see Morstead catch a pass in the endzone from Hill before this season is over.

The Dude 11-15-2018 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 824100)
I am fully expecting to see Morstead catch a pass in the endzone from Hill before this season is over.

God that would be awesome.

The Dude 11-15-2018 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 824100)
I am fully expecting to see Morstead catch a pass in the endzone from Hill before this season is over.

So I was gonna add “or to someone else rediculous like long snapper Justin Dresher” but then remembered he had been replaced last year. Then it occurred to me I had no idea who the hell our long snapper even was because that position became a revolving door so I looked it up.
Apparently the Saints made another huge medical signing snafu at long snapper. We actually TRADED for a long snapper who had heart problems.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/article...econd_year.amp

Anyone remember this?

Utah_Saint 11-15-2018 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 824102)
So I was gonna add “or to someone else rediculous like long snapper Justin Dresher” but then remembered he had been replaced last year. Then it occurred to me I had no idea who the hell our long snapper even was because that position became a revolving door so I looked it up.
Apparently the Saints made another huge medical signing snafu at long snapper. We actually TRADED for a long snapper who had heart problems.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/article...econd_year.amp

Anyone remember this?

Yes, in the physical required for the trade, they discovered the heart condition. It saved his life. The trade was voided due to the heart condition so it wasn't really a snafu. He also ended up getting a Super Bowl ring.

vpheughan 11-16-2018 06:07 PM

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We actually TRADED for a long snapper who had heart problems.

Saints SNAFU or the Eagles trying to "Pull a fast one"?

Then, they acquired Jon Dorenbos in a trade from the Philadelphia Eagles, but when Saints doctors discovered that Dorenbos needed heart surgery, the team had to find another option.

vpheughan 11-17-2018 07:22 AM

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So when Taysom throws it backwards to Drew and he launches it deep for a TD no one will be ready for it. New play, six points.

LIKE BRADY TO EDELMAN TO AMENDOLA TD!!!
EXCEPT IT WILL BE HILL TO BREES TO HILL TD!
HILL BECOMES THE FIRST PLAYER TO "THROW" A TD PASS TO HIMSELF!!


OF COURSE PAYTON AND STAFF WILL HAVE TO JUSTIFY THE allocation of resources and priorities PRIOR TO GREEN LIGHTING THAT PLAY!!


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