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saintfan 11-23-2018 12:01 AM

Our Defense
 
Just confessing that I have not been a buyer of our defense and hoping for a heaping helping of crow for my indiscretions (Tabasco please).

They're starting to come around. I'm not sure if adding Apple was the key or if it has just taken some time to gel or if it's a combination of those things or if there are other ingredients in the defensive gumbo, but they're sure playing better and better as we go.

Have to believe we'll go as far as the defense will take us as I don't see anyone shutting down our offense.

:bng:

The Dude 11-23-2018 01:01 AM

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I think Apple helps but I think a lot is due to the CBs playing better as a whole, communicating better, etc. it also seems they are putting players in their more natural position that gives them the best opportunity to succeed. I don’t think it’s coincidence that our TO,s have gone up since they settled Anzalone in at MLB. Less of the moving players around. PJ is a lot better suited for the slot and getting better every week. May be off here but my 2 cents. Defense won that game tonight.

Halo 11-23-2018 01:01 AM

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I think Apple has caused Lattimore and others to communicate much better.
What is scary is we're creating turnovers on a regular basis, and especially in key situations.

What's even scarier - in 2009 we created turnovers when the team was down by a lot of points and we'd pull out some nail biters. Redskins, Dolphins...etc.

I know our offense line was about 85% tonight, we were starting our youngest WR's and the UDFA's, and at no point was this game even close.
Our Defense is getting to the opponents QB's more and more and more, week after week.

Saint in Aus 11-23-2018 02:13 AM

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I think they are really starting to feed off how the offence is playing. Imagine being a member of the D and seeing the offence score nearly every drive. You would just want to get out there when it’s your chance and play like a mad pack to get the offence back out there and to not fail them. The D is only just warming up imo. There are going to be some scared offences facing them for the rest of the season.

This is a whole unit playing as one at the moment. It’s beautiful to watch!

subguy 11-23-2018 06:42 AM

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Winning in general lends to an overall confidence boost. Does anyone happen to know on average the amount of time the defense is on the field per game?

vpheughan 11-23-2018 06:52 AM

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WINNING BOILS EGGSPURTS!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

WhoDat!656 11-23-2018 07:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by subguy (Post 825569)
Winning in general lends to an overall confidence boost. Does anyone happen to know on average the amount of time the defense is on the field per game?

If I am reading the chart right the Saints defense ToP/G per game is 27:29.

National Football League Stats - by Team Category | NFL.com

K Major 11-23-2018 07:16 AM

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The interior has been stout since training camp so there's that.

Guys are thinking less & reacting more. I'm specifically speaking of Alex Anzalone(see helicopter hit on Julio & fumble) & AJ Klein. Their play the last 3 weeks has been stellar.

Hiring Ryan Nielsen & Mike Nolan was HUGE. Coaching matters.

CheramieIII 11-23-2018 07:22 AM

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I just think about 1979 or 1970 or 1967 and smile because we are at least winning consistently and if you were a fan back then you never though it would ever happen. YOU GEAUX BOYS! WHO DAT!

dam1953 11-23-2018 07:49 AM

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Big key is the Saints made ATL very one dimensional. Take away two QB scrambles and ATL gained 10 yds on 14 running plays.

ChrisXVI 11-23-2018 08:04 AM

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The transformation at LB has been remarkable. Demario Davis is simply amazing. He’s been one of my absolute favorite FA acquisitions that we’ve made in years. Combine that with Anzalone finding a home at Mike has rendered Manti Te’o expendable. AJ Klein’s playing his natural position at Sam and the whole thing is just a well-oiled machine now.

TheOak 11-23-2018 08:12 AM

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Their timing and situational awareness is coming around, you can tell they are not having to think as much. This isn’t power football anymore, it’s closer to arena ball where fractions of seconds make a big difference.

The biggest thing Apple brought to the table is the absence of Pass Interferance calls. He is a little better in coverage then Crawly, but most importantly the allows receivers the opportunity to drop balls.

He did a fair job against Julio last night so I should give him a little credit for his performance.

Danno 11-23-2018 08:37 AM

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Our defense isn't great, but its good enough. We did hold Atlanta to a TD under their average.

Our defense is 13th best in PPG. Thats a lot better than I thought and easily enough to help win it all.

saintsfan1976 11-23-2018 08:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 825586)
The transformation at LB has been remarkable. Demario Davis is simply amazing. He’s been one of my absolute favorite FA acquisitions that we’ve made in years. Combine that with Anzalone finding a home at Mike has rendered Manti Te’o expendable. AJ Klein’s playing his natural position at Sam and the whole thing is just a well-oiled machine now.

Iv'e been yelling for a speedy, sideline to sideline LB since we passed on Clay Matthews

dam1953 11-23-2018 08:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 825593)
Our defense isn't great, but its good enough. We did hold Atlanta to a TD under their average.

Our defense is 13th best in PPG. Thats a lot better than I thought and easily enough to help win it all.

The D as a whole is a bit above average, statistically. That said, the D line is a dominant force against the run with a pass rush that is quickly becoming legendary. Get ready, these guys are young and hungry.

Next week’s game should be interesting as they get another chance to shut down a premier running back.

dam1953 11-23-2018 08:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 825593)
Our defense isn't great, but its good enough. We did hold Atlanta to a TD under their average.

Our defense is 13th best in PPG. Thats a lot better than I thought and easily enough to help win it all.

Gotta consider that some of the TDs were garbage points.

K Major 11-23-2018 09:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 825594)
Iv'e been yelling for a speedy, sideline to sideline LB since we passed on Clay Matthews

Demario Davis was money well spent this offseason. He's been as good as advertised.

saintsfan1976 11-23-2018 09:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 825593)
Our defense isn't great, but its good enough. We did hold Atlanta to a TD under their average.

Our defense is 13th best in PPG. Thats a lot better than I thought and easily enough to help win it all.

We’ve said for a few seasons now - all we need is the defense to hold teams to under 20pts. Our average now - 19.1 and we’re 10-1

neugey 11-23-2018 09:20 AM

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Turnovers were huge this week it seems; kept us out of a shootout which could have gone either way!

SmashMouth 11-23-2018 09:28 AM

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The Dude 11-23-2018 09:39 AM

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Secondary still a liability though. Getting better. I don’t care if they give up 500 yds a game if we keep taking it away in the red zone.

K Major 11-23-2018 09:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 825610)
Secondary still a liability though. Getting better. I don’t care if they give up 500 yds a game if we keep taking it away in the red zone.

As poorly as ATL played last night, they are still one of the better/high flying offenses in the league. Giving up 300+ yards to team when you've made em one dimensional ... I'll live with that.

Falcons are going to get yards on 90% of the defenses out there.

ScottF 11-23-2018 10:07 AM

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^^^ yes, but totally undisciplined in the red zone. They can play injuries this year all they want, but they dropped the ball in the red zone 4X

RailBoss 11-23-2018 10:14 AM

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My question is; who is the "Field General" now that has replaced Vilma.
I'm thinking Cam Jordan is moving the D but still not sure.

https://www.neworleanssaints.com/vid...w-it-is-a-race

rezburna 11-23-2018 10:17 AM

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P.J. Williams has really improved.

K Major 11-23-2018 10:24 AM

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Cameron Jordan now up to 8 sacks.

Captain "Shimmy" Sheldon Rankins is at 7 (5 sacks in 5 games). IMO he's shaping to become the best 3 tech we've seen in NO since L Glover. 5 games remaining and I think they both end up with DOUBLE digits before the season is over.

Footnote on "Shimmy" Rankins ... -- > 3rd most sacks of any DT in the NFL (tied with Geno Atkins). He's having a phenomenal season. He's not in Aaron Donald's league (actually no one is), but he's been very disruptive & facilitating sacks for others to eat.

AsylumGuido 11-23-2018 10:28 AM

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The secondary is one of the better ones in the league today. Atlanta still has a top ten QB and three very good WR's. They also have a capable pass catching RB and fairly decent TE's. There isn't a team in the league that could keep them from racking up yardage once they have been forced to totally give up on the run game and start going for it on 4th downs.

Given the circumstances I feel the secondary performed quite well.

SmashMouth 11-23-2018 11:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 825617)
Cameron Jordan now up to 8 sacks.

Captain "Shimmy" Sheldon Rankins is at 7 (5 sacks in 5 games). IMO he's shaping to become the best 3 tech we've seen in NO since L Glover. 5 games remaining and I think they both end up with DOUBLE digits before the season is over.

Footnote on "Shimmy" Rankins ... -- > 3rd most sacks of any DT in the NFL (tied with Geno Atkins). He's having a phenomenal season. He's not in Aaron Donald's league (actually no one is), but he's been very disruptive & facilitating sacks for others to eat.

One could make a case Aaron Donald has faced inferior competition vs whom Rankins has faced. Also, Lambs have a perceived dream team on defense, yet don't perform anywhere near like a dream team.

RockyMountainSaint 11-23-2018 11:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dam1953 (Post 825597)
Gotta consider that some of the TDs were garbage points.

The thing that I've noticed is that when holding a lead (excepting Rams game) DA has allowed teams to score a 4th qtr TD.
The coverages he's called though aren't "prevent".
They are slightly more aggressive than that.
Sure, a team scores, but the drives have been lengthy and burn enough clock that it makes them basically useless.
A six minute TD drive in the 4th qtr when you are down by more than two scores?
By all means, have at it.

saintsfan1976 11-23-2018 12:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by neugey (Post 825604)
Turnovers were huge this week it seems; kept us out of a shootout which could have gone either way!

Very true. This game should’ve been much much closer

rezburna 11-23-2018 01:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint (Post 825622)
The thing that I've noticed is that when holding a lead (excepting Rams game) DA has allowed teams to score a 4th qtr TD.
The coverages he's called though aren't "prevent".
They are slightly more aggressive than that.
Sure, a team scores, but the drives have been lengthy and burn enough clock that it makes them basically useless.
A six minute TD drive in the 4th qtr when you are down by more than two scores?
By all means, have at it.

They’re bending but not breaking. I love it.

saintsfan1976 11-23-2018 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 825631)
They’re bending but not breaking. I love it.

and on top of that, they're making plays when they NEED to. Timely sacks. Strip fumbles. Batted passes. Passes defensed. They're doing it all.

dam1953 11-23-2018 04:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 825612)
As poorly as ATL played last night, they are still one of the better/high flying offenses in the league. Giving up 300+ yards to team when you've made em one dimensional ... I'll live with that.

Falcons are going to get yards on 90% of the defenses out there.

Historically, most passing records are set by losing teams. When you’re down 24-3 midway through the 3rd Q, and averaging less than 2 yards per carry on the ground, you’re only option is to throw, throw, throw. The problem is it’s not a secret. The result is 6 sacks, 2 QB fumbles, 1 pick and another game in the loss column.

dam1953 11-23-2018 04:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 825612)
As poorly as ATL played last night, they are still one of the better/high flying offenses in the league. Giving up 300+ yards to team when you've made em one dimensional ... I'll live with that.

Falcons are going to get yards on 90% of the defenses out there.

Atlanta struck me as a poorly coached team. Their clock mgmt Suuucked. When a veteran QB is behind 31-10 with 9:27 to play and your not running a 2 minute offense, something’s seriously wrong.

Danno 11-23-2018 09:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dam1953 (Post 825642)
Atlanta struck me as a poorly coached team. Their clock mgmt Suuucked. When a veteran QB is behind 31-10 with 9:27 to play and your not running a 2 minute offense, something’s seriously wrong.

True, but it looked like Dennis Allen was trying to keep everything in front, not a prevent but soft enough to give up short range plays and force them to eat clock.

Anyone else notice our offense is constantly waiting until the play clock is near zero before we snap the ball.

Our TOP must be great.

The Dude 11-23-2018 10:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 825661)
True, but it looked like Dennis Allen was trying to keep everything in front, not a prevent but soft enough to give up short range plays and force them to eat clock.

Anyone else notice our offense is constantly waiting until the play clock is near zero before we snap the ball.

Our TOP must be great.

Yes I watched it close this week. Even when the clocks not running. They seem to be trying hard to be consistent with that. Timing was perfect this time.

NonieT 11-23-2018 11:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 825615)
My question is; who is the "Field General" now that has replaced Vilma.
I'm thinking Cam Jordan is moving the D but still not sure.

https://www.neworleanssaints.com/vid...w-it-is-a-race

Cam Jordan said Sheldon Rankins makes all the calls on the Dline. They call him "Mastermind."
https://www.theadvocate.com/new_orle...922627cc2.html

The Dude 11-24-2018 12:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 825661)
True, but it looked like Dennis Allen was trying to keep everything in front, not a prevent but soft enough to give up short range plays and force them to eat clock.

Anyone else notice our offense is constantly waiting until the play clock is near zero before we snap the ball.

Our TOP must be great.

Yes. Even when the clocks not running. They seem to be trying hard to be consistent with that. Timing was perfect this time.


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