Prisco: Will the next star QB please stand up?(AB included)
 

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8524129/2

Only probelm I have with this article is: This is false as Brooks had very little to do with us winning the final FOUR games. His only good game was the last one against Carolina, but he played so well I guess that could be counted as a rebound. Hope that carries over. He gets a chance to repeat the effort right out the gate.

RE: Prisco: Will the next star QB please stand up?(AB includ
 

Now now, see when they lose its Brooks fault. If they win no one gives Brooks credit... so its lose lose for Brooks?

Hard to give credit to a guy who posts a 60 something passer rating in 11 out of 16 quarters in those 4 wins. But in case you missed it: I gave him credit for the time he played WELL and we won. No QB should get credit for just being there and the team wins.

As long as he does not committ turnovers, then he played well. It's the same case for Trent Dilfer when the Ravens won the Superbowl, he managed the offense very well and didn't not put his team into bad situations. I would love to see Brooks manage the offense well and put up great numbers, but if I had to choose btw the two... I would rather see him manage the offense effectively and let our running game set us up.

Comparing him to Trent Dilfer is horrible -- Had Dilfer been on our team the last couple of years his demotion to a back-up would have happened way before any winning seasons = AB is a much better QB than him -- That said look at our scoring on the first drive -- then the 1st quarter -- then the 1st half -- you will find an alarming trend that AB does not show up in the early parts of the game -- overall he gives the appearance of managing the team -- but the fact is that he only seems to play well
in the later stages -- Don't get me wrong -- I want AB to succeed and become the QB his athletic talent can allow him to be -- but he has not shown the leadership we really need from him. Now according to the offseason comments he seems to be finally taking ownership and is progressing marvelously -- hopefully this true and not Haslett trying to pump up AB or the fans.

As for the original post article -- I agree with the analysis -- in order for us to make the playoffs AB has to step up and become a lot more consistent

Hmm... if I'm not mistaken, he was a backup for the last couple of years. I was referring to the year that he was a starter and won the Superbowl playing small ball and letting their running game (Raven's strength) take care of the job (basically THE STYLE OF PLAY). I don't think anywhere did I compare their physical attributes or talent level. If you don't think by having Brooks to manage the offense better... less turnovers and stupid passes (which was also what Dilfer did that SUPERBOWL year) is horrible... nevermind I don't think you understood what I said.

Anyways, the offense is being simplified therefore I expect him to be more efficient and consistent. It sounds like everyone is on the same page and not confused about what's being called from what has been said. I fully expect Brooks to have better numbers than Dilfer has ever put up because he certainly has much more talent.

Well Brooks better step it up. 4 years of inconsistency, 4 years of calling himself great, 4 years without a playoff appearance, one PB as an alternate after other QBs backed out, and a large cap number next year. Time is running out fast.

.. I am still trying to comprehend why Prisco bunched these 5 in the article..
... JP Lossman has yet to play a regular season game...
... Leftwich has 1 year as a starter..
... Boller has 2 years...
... Carr has 3 years...

... better subjects would've been Culpepper, Hasselbeck, Pennington, Plummer,...

[quote... better subjects would've been Culpepper, Hasselbeck, Pennington, Plummer,...[/quote]

Which one of those guys wouldn't you take over AB? I think that's why they weren't in there. He was focused on QBs who need to prove themselves this year. None of those other guys you mentioned are in danger of losing their jobs.

Which one of those guys wouldn't you take over AB? I think that's why they weren't in there. He was focused on QBs who need to prove themselves this year. None of those other guys you mentioned are in danger of losing their jobs.[/quote]

Well, you would think that they aren't, would you? :)

.. and I wouldn't take Plummer over Brooks :)

..but seriously, what I was trying to say, is that those guys I mentioned are in the 5-7 year starter range, whereas the QBs mentioned in Prisco's article really don't have that much experience yet.
David Carr is in no danger of losing his job. He's a 3 year starter on an expansion team...
Lossman hasn't even thrown a pass in a regular season game...

.. what I tried to say and I didn't explain properly, is that there has to be much higher expectations and, in turn, scrutiny, for those QBs I mentioned since they heve been starters for longer in teams with above .500 records and playoff appearances the past couple of years..

Wait, AB was bunched in with a number of young (and in Losman's case essentially Rookie) QBs with little experience who need to mature...

I don't see the problem. AB fits the mold perfectly. I hope he makes me eat my words, but at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if AB was compared to 2nd and 3rd year QBs in his 10th year. The light just isn't on yet - and considering most QBs play with 100 watt bulbs and he's got a 60 watt bulb - that dimmer switch needs to be wide open for him to compete. ;)

So what the last two posts were getting at collectively is that AB is in a class all his own??
:D

I have to co-sign on this one. Actually I think time has already runout. The way I see is that short of this team getting to the NCF championship on Brooks' and Deuce's backs, the Saints are going to ask Brooks to restructure his contract for cap relief next offseason. But Brooks thinking that he's all world will refuse to do it. Then he'll become trade bait or a June 1st cap casualty.

The offense is going to have to be efficient and consistent this season. The goal should be on TD per quarter every quarter. But that means that the offense will have to cut down on the turnovers, penalties, and mistakes.

SFIAH

Best way to improve AB's stats... Give the ball to Duce on every down.

Or just being there and they lose..........devil's advocate

I USE TO BE A HUGE SUPPORTER OF BROOKS. THEN HE MADE SOME COMMENTS HE SHOULDN'T HAVE. HIS TALENT IS WITHOUT QUESTION. HIS MENTAL CAPACITY IS LIKE THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE. THAT SAID OUT OF ALL THE GUYS MENTIONED I'LL TAKE ARRON. I DON'T THINK ARRON CAN EVER WIN GAMES BY HIMSELF. MATTER OF FACT NO QB CAN. THERE IS NOT ONE PLAYER ON THE FIELD THAT CAN DO THAT. MATTER OF FACT THERE IS NOT ONE GUY ON ONE SIDE OF THE BALL OR THE OTHER THAT CAN DO THAT. THIS IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A TEAM GAME. BROOKS NEEDS TO IMPROVE. NO DOUBT. IT IS LIKE WATCHING A SEESAW AT TIMES. YOU KNOW IT COULD GET OVER THAT HUMP AND YOU ARE JUST BEGGING IT TO BUT SOMEHOW IT JUST SLUMPS DOWN AGAIN. BROOKS IS A GOOD QB SOMETIMES. THE SAHME IS HE COULD BE REALLY GOOD ALL THE TIME IF HE WANTED TOO. BUT THE REST OF THIS TEAM HAS THAT SAME PROBLEM OUTSIDE OF A FEW PLAYERS. THIS TEAM HAS THE ABILITY TO LET US SEE SOMETHING THIS SEASON. THEN AGAIN THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO LET US SEE THE SAME OL SHIITE. I LIKE BRROKS FOR THIS YEAR. IF HE CAN'T DO WHAT IS NEEDED OF HIM MAYBE NEXT YEAR MCPHERSON CAN. RIGHT NOW WE NEED ARRON. ANYONE WHO THINKS WE DON'T YOUR NUTS. OF COURSE WE DO. BUT WE COULD DO WITHOUT THE BACKWARD LOBB TO THE UNKNOWN SOLDIER.

I agree Spkb. The most frustrating thing about AB is that he IS so so inconsistent. If a QB stinks then you never expect him to do well and if he does you give him props, but you never EXPECT that he will continue to shine. If a QB is great and he has a bad game, then you let it go because you KNOW he will be fine the next game. In AB's case, he has a great game and gets your hopes up, then destroys your hopes the next game. Then when you have given up on the guy, he comes back and has another great game or two. AB is a roller coaster, but so are the Saints. Right now the Saints need AB to step up and be the QB that he can be. The Saints need to step up and be the team they can be.

Everyone can speculate on how the Saints will do, how AB will do, and if the D will improve. The entire team needs to show the fans, the state, and the NFL that it can be a real contender.

Who knows, maybe because AB may have to re-structure his contract after this season if he puts up his normal numbers, he may really take things serious and get it done on the field. Maybe he will be a great QB this year. Maybe the Saints will go to the playoffs. I think AB will have a good (not spectacular) season and the Saints will have a legitimate shot at the playoffs. Ofcourse, thats just speculation.... :wink:

Mike Vick

completely not true whodat. put him on cleveland last year and they are still horrible. but i do understand your point and he may be the closest thing to it on one side of the ball. i remember when he was in college and they played florida state for the national championship and he did nearly win that thing by himself. then it just looked like in the 4rth quarter he had no energy left. i don't think i have ever seen a one man performance like that in my life.

i still do not think he is a good qb though. great athlete but as of now he isnt a good qb. as he gets older if he doesnt become more of a passer he won't last because he will loose a step or two over time.

I never said he was a great QB - but I have seen Vick win games on his own in the NFL. I've watched him rush for 100+ yards and score twice and win games that way... on more than one occassion.

Elway did it too. 3 Superbowl appearances before the Broncos figured they should get him some help to actually win it.

exactly the point saintswhodi. great players need a team.

The difference spk is great players elevated the play of the teams they DID have. Falcons without Vick, 4 wins. Falcons with Vick, division title and NFC champ game. Elway with only him, 3 superbowl appearances. Numerous playoff visits. Are we saying Brooks is a great player without a team? I will beg to differ hardily with that. Books has a pro bowl receiver, which Vick nor Elway had, and a pro bowl RB, which Elway didn't get until his FOURTH Superbowl trip, and Vick still doesn't have. Look at Favre's Superbowl team. Anybody stand out on O besides Favre? Great players elevate their team, mediocre ones cry about needing great players around them to get it done. SO basically our attempt is to turn Brooks into Trent Dilfer, and hope he doesn't screw it up. Give me a Vick or Elway or Favre any day over that. Great players who make the average ones around them better. I think with several different QBs who are currently in the league, the teams we have had would have been in the playoffs.

saintswhodi i think you miss understood my post. in no way am i defending brooks. i don't like his attitude. and i would not want mike vick as my qb. never, not and wouldn't. at least not now. brooks could be a much better qb then vick. matter of fact he is a much better qb then vick. well in terms of talent as a qb. not as an athlete, as a qb. but i don't think that brooks has the heart. i don't think he wants to be great. if he did he would be a top 5 qb in this league. but he lacks the mental aspect of the game. which is why he is always just ok. which is why on the field and in games he doesn't equate to what vick equates to. you are so right about them making their teams better and i don't see brooks doing that. no he ******* that his team sucks. he will not be our qb in 3 years. maybe not after this one. but this year if we want to make the playoffs you better hope he is. but contrary to what you and whodat said i am yet to see a player win a game by themselves. that is just my opinion. i respect that you disagree. oh and the falcons won 4 games without vick because the backups were just aweful. if they had had a solid backup they would have won more games. of course not as many as with vick but they would have won more then 4. but that is probably why he starts and the other guy is the backup. because you can win more with the starter.

Did Mcphearson sighn a contract yet. IF not haslett since he loves brooks may use mcphearson as trade bate. Thats a big fish too