Observations from the Saints Clutch Win vs Steelers

blackangold · 12-23-2018, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

TGinn Jr ... clutch catches today.

Clutch.

That’s what normal WR/TEs do, we are just used to seeing them dropped if it’s not thrown at MT.

As for my thoughts on the game...
Defense was dominated today, Cam Jordan looks like a fool for running his mouth. Hard to say if it was bad coverage or poor play calling, but one thing I know is that Ben played a perfect game and we let him do it. Next to no pressure for the guy, and when there was pressure he flushed out of the pocket easily and had all day. Ben is one of the best passers when he breaks out of the pocket or extends the play, and our lack of pressure allowed this all day. The only pressure came from blitzing LBs and we often got beat when doing that.

- nice to have Ginn back
- #64 needs to be cut
- where is Davenport?
- Marcus Williams who?
- Dennis Allen got worked this week by a simple offensive concept
- Kamara still has the juice
- Refs blow a ton of calls on both sides
- Apple played better than Lattimore

If our D line plays this way in the play offs we’ll be in trouble. If we don’t get healthy on our O line it’s going to be a quick run..

K Major · 12-23-2018, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

That’s what normal WR/TEs do, we are just used to seeing them dropped if it’s not thrown at MT.

B&G,

Go back and re watch the tape. He gave the offense the ability to stretch the field. Did you notice how the safeties could not sit inside the box? They weren't able to cheat on those routes.

Crossing patterns ? check.
Slant patterns ? check
In and out routes ? check

He is soooo much more valuable than just catching a pass. The guy performed like an experienced vet at WR.

blackangold · 12-23-2018, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

B&G,

Go back and re watch the tape. He gave the offense the ability to stretch the field. Did you notice how the safeties could not sit inside the box? They weren't able to cheat on those routes.

Crossing patterns ? check.
Slant patterns ? check
In and out routes ? check

He is soooo much more valuable than just catching a pass. The guy performed like an experienced vet at WR.

That’s my point... I’m trying To take a shot at all of the other WRs/TEs on the team. Ginn played limited snaps and it was noticeable how much better the offense was.

TheOak · 12-24-2018, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

B&G,

Go back and re watch the tape. He gave the offense the ability to stretch the field. Did you notice how the safeties could not sit inside the box? They weren't able to cheat on those routes.

Crossing patterns ? check.
Slant patterns ? check
In and out routes ? check

He is soooo much more valuable than just catching a pass. The guy performed like an experienced vet at WR.

Yep.. Ginn's real value isnt what he can personally do with a ball. His value is with what he makes a defense do because he in the field. His speed must be accounted for upfront and I think that opens up Thomas just enough to be a huge value.

Audiotom · 12-23-2018, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

That’s what normal WR/TEs do, we are just used to seeing them dropped if it’s not thrown at MT.

As for my thoughts on the game...
Defense was dominated today, Cam Jordan looks like a fool for running his mouth. Hard to say if it was bad coverage or poor play calling, but one thing I know is that Ben played a perfect game and we let him do it. Next to no pressure for the guy, and when there was pressure he flushed out of the pocket easily and had all day. Ben is one of the best passers when he breaks out of the pocket or extends the play, and our lack of pressure allowed this all day. The only pressure came from blitzing LBs and we often got beat when doing that.

- nice to have Ginn back
- #64 needs to be cut
- where is Davenport?
- Marcus Williams who?
- Dennis Allen got worked this week by a simple offensive concept
- Kamara still has the juice
- Refs blow a ton of calls on both sides
- Apple played better than Lattimore

If our D line plays this way in the play offs we’ll be in trouble. If we don’t get healthy on our O line it’s going to be a quick run..

Davenport had good pressure but was held/hooked on nearly every play

12-23-2018, 07:23 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Observations from the Saints Clutch Win vs Steelers Originally Posted by K Major TGinn Jr ... clutch catches today. Clutch. That’s what normal WR/TEs do, we are just used to seeing them dropped if it’s not thrown at MT. As for my thoughts on the game... Defense was dominated today, Cam Jordan looks like a fool for running his mouth. Hard to say if it was bad coverage or poor play calling, but one thing I know is that Ben played a perfect game and we let him do it. Next to no pressure for the guy, and when there was pressure he flushed out of the pocket easily and had all day. Ben is one of the best passers when he breaks out of the pocket or extends the play, and our lack of pressure allowed this all day. The only pressure came from blitzing LBs and we often got beat when doing that. - nice to have Ginn back - #64 needs to be cut - where is Davenport? - Marcus Williams who? - Dennis Allen got worked this week by a simple offensive concept - Kamara still has the juice - Refs blow a ton of calls on both sides - Apple played better than Lattimore If our D line plays this way in the play offs we’ll be in trouble. If we don’t get healthy on our O line it’s going to be a quick run.. SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and darksoul35 like this.
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12-23-2018, 08:09 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints Clutch Win vs Steelers Originally Posted by blackangold That’s what normal WR/TEs do, we are just used to seeing them dropped if it’s not thrown at MT. B&G, Go back and re watch the tape. He gave the offense the ability to stretch the field. Did you notice how the safeties could not sit inside the box? They weren't able to cheat on those routes. Crossing patterns ? check. Slant patterns ? check In and out routes ? check He is soooo much more valuable than just catching a pass. The guy performed like an experienced vet at WR. saintfan, lumm0x, saintsfan1976 and 4 others like this.

12-23-2018, 09:41 PM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Observations from the Saints Clutch Win vs Steelers Originally Posted by K Major B&G, Go back and re watch the tape. He gave the offense the ability to stretch the field. Did you notice how the safeties could not sit inside the box? They weren't able to cheat on those routes. Crossing patterns ? check. Slant patterns ? check In and out routes ? check He is soooo much more valuable than just catching a pass. The guy performed like an experienced vet at WR. That’s my point... I’m trying To take a shot at all of the other WRs/TEs on the team. Ginn played limited snaps and it was noticeable how much better the offense was.

12-24-2018, 01:41 PM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Observations from the Saints Clutch Win vs Steelers Originally Posted by K Major B&G, Go back and re watch the tape. He gave the offense the ability to stretch the field. Did you notice how the safeties could not sit inside the box? They weren't able to cheat on those routes. Crossing patterns ? check. Slant patterns ? check In and out routes ? check He is soooo much more valuable than just catching a pass. The guy performed like an experienced vet at WR. Yep.. Ginn's real value isnt what he can personally do with a ball. His value is with what he makes a defense do because he in the field. His speed must be accounted for upfront and I think that opens up Thomas just enough to be a huge value.

12-23-2018, 10:05 PM	#5
Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints Clutch Win vs Steelers Originally Posted by blackangold That’s what normal WR/TEs do, we are just used to seeing them dropped if it’s not thrown at MT. As for my thoughts on the game... Defense was dominated today, Cam Jordan looks like a fool for running his mouth. Hard to say if it was bad coverage or poor play calling, but one thing I know is that Ben played a perfect game and we let him do it. Next to no pressure for the guy, and when there was pressure he flushed out of the pocket easily and had all day. Ben is one of the best passers when he breaks out of the pocket or extends the play, and our lack of pressure allowed this all day. The only pressure came from blitzing LBs and we often got beat when doing that. - nice to have Ginn back - #64 needs to be cut - where is Davenport? - Marcus Williams who? - Dennis Allen got worked this week by a simple offensive concept - Kamara still has the juice - Refs blow a ton of calls on both sides - Apple played better than Lattimore If our D line plays this way in the play offs we’ll be in trouble. If we don’t get healthy on our O line it’s going to be a quick run.. Davenport had good pressure but was held/hooked on nearly every play AsylumGuido and SmashMouth like this.

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