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SmashMouth 12-23-2018 07:00 PM

Observations from the Saints Clutch Win vs Steelers
 
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The New Orleans Saints have earned the No. 1 seed in the NFC playoffs.

With a 31-28 come-from-behind victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday, the Saints improved to 13-2 and clinched the top seed in the NFC, earning a first-round bye, home-field advantage and a chance to rest their starters in Week 17.

The Saints trailed for most of the fourth quarter before a 2-yard touchdown catch by Michael Thomas gave them a lead with 1:25 remaining.

The Saints defense made a huge stop after that touchdown. The Steelers drove to the New Orleans 42 with 41 seconds left, but Sheldon Rankins forced a fumble by wide receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster. When Demario Davis recovered for the Saints, he sealed the victory.

https://i.nola.com/resizer/7L3bE8jwi...IJLSR5EAI4.jpg

What went right: Things went well for the Saints for most of the first half as they overcame an early deficit to jump ahead 14-6 in the second quarter.

Alvin Kamara had a phenomenal game with 105 yards from scrimmage and two touchdowns on just 11 touches. Thomas had a big game with 11 catches for 109 yards.

Defensively, the Saints made timely plays and did well to limit the run, as usual. Vonn Bell led the Saints with 10 tackles, and linebackers Alex Anzalone and Demario Davis both had sacks.

The Saints also stopped a fake punt by the Steelers to force a turnover on downs in the fourth quarter.

What went wrong: The Saints could not cover Antonio Brown in the second half as he scored two touchdowns and created several big plays after the break. He finished with 14 catches for 185 yards.

Wil Lutz had a 50-yard field goal blocked in the fourth quarter, which would’ve cut the Saints’ deficit to 28-27 with 6:13 remaining.

Taysom Hill threw a duck in the first quarter when he tried connecting with Ted Ginn Jr. on a deep pass in the first quarter, and Steelers safety Sean Davis picked it off easily, ending what looked like a promising opening drive for the Saints.

Injuries played a role, but Saints offensive line had some rare struggles as the team averaged 3.2 yards per carry and gave up two sacks and more pressures.

Player of the game: Kamara, but Brown would’ve been an easy pick had the Steelers won.

In case you missed it: Multiple Saints players etched their names in the franchise record books on Sunday. Running back Mark Ingram broke Deuce McAllister’s record for career rushing touchdowns with his 50th on Sunday.

Lutz made his 26th consecutive field goal, breaking Morten Andersen’s record of 25 from 1992-93.

NOLA

K Major 12-23-2018 07:05 PM

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TGinn Jr ... clutch catches today.

Clutch.

Cruize 12-23-2018 07:18 PM

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- Dome Field Advantage!
- Incredible 13-2 with their schedule.
- The refs played too big a role today. Although I agreed with most.
- Peat was big time for taking snaps at three positions.
- Thomas beasted.
- Clapp made key blocks on Kamara's TD's.
- Ginn with big catches.
- Kirkwood with a big drop. Don't think it will happen again.
- TE's just aren't getting it done.
- Hopefully Armstead missing was precautionary. Need him.

- Pressure was mostly lacking today.
- Lattimore got ate up by one of the best.
- Soft and flat in the 3rd quarter.
- Apple competes.
- PJ with some good plays. I think he would be a great safety.
- It may be scheme, but Williams is never around the ball.
- Coleman is an in the box guy. Big play today. Just can't cover anymore.
- Rest and heal up. The road ahead is going to be tough.

blackangold 12-23-2018 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 830532)
TGinn Jr ... clutch catches today.

Clutch.

That’s what normal WR/TEs do, we are just used to seeing them dropped if it’s not thrown at MT.

As for my thoughts on the game...
Defense was dominated today, Cam Jordan looks like a fool for running his mouth. Hard to say if it was bad coverage or poor play calling, but one thing I know is that Ben played a perfect game and we let him do it. Next to no pressure for the guy, and when there was pressure he flushed out of the pocket easily and had all day. Ben is one of the best passers when he breaks out of the pocket or extends the play, and our lack of pressure allowed this all day. The only pressure came from blitzing LBs and we often got beat when doing that.

- nice to have Ginn back
- #64 needs to be cut
- where is Davenport?
- Marcus Williams who?
- Dennis Allen got worked this week by a simple offensive concept
- Kamara still has the juice
- Refs blow a ton of calls on both sides
- Apple played better than Lattimore

If our D line plays this way in the play offs we’ll be in trouble. If we don’t get healthy on our O line it’s going to be a quick run..

ChrisXVI 12-23-2018 07:36 PM

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The Steelers quite possibly have the best O-Line in the league... Let’s cut our D-Line some slack. They aren’t super human. They got good pressure.

It looks like we’re making our Super Bowl run with Peat at LT and Clapp/Tom at LG.

Saintsfan4ever 12-23-2018 07:50 PM

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game mvp: yellow flag

SmashMouth 12-23-2018 07:55 PM

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SmashMouth 12-23-2018 08:06 PM

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https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1BRJjXjrnaeKw


K Major 12-23-2018 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 830557)
That’s what normal WR/TEs do, we are just used to seeing them dropped if it’s not thrown at MT.

B&G,

Go back and re watch the tape. He gave the offense the ability to stretch the field. Did you notice how the safeties could not sit inside the box? They weren't able to cheat on those routes.

Crossing patterns ? check.
Slant patterns ? check
In and out routes ? check

He is soooo much more valuable than just catching a pass. The guy performed like an experienced vet at WR.

SmashMouth 12-23-2018 09:36 PM

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blackangold 12-23-2018 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 830590)
B&G,

Go back and re watch the tape. He gave the offense the ability to stretch the field. Did you notice how the safeties could not sit inside the box? They weren't able to cheat on those routes.

Crossing patterns ? check.
Slant patterns ? check
In and out routes ? check

He is soooo much more valuable than just catching a pass. The guy performed like an experienced vet at WR.

That’s my point... I’m trying To take a shot at all of the other WRs/TEs on the team. Ginn played limited snaps and it was noticeable how much better the offense was.

Audiotom 12-23-2018 10:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 830557)
That’s what normal WR/TEs do, we are just used to seeing them dropped if it’s not thrown at MT.

As for my thoughts on the game...
Defense was dominated today, Cam Jordan looks like a fool for running his mouth. Hard to say if it was bad coverage or poor play calling, but one thing I know is that Ben played a perfect game and we let him do it. Next to no pressure for the guy, and when there was pressure he flushed out of the pocket easily and had all day. Ben is one of the best passers when he breaks out of the pocket or extends the play, and our lack of pressure allowed this all day. The only pressure came from blitzing LBs and we often got beat when doing that.

- nice to have Ginn back
- #64 needs to be cut
- where is Davenport?
- Marcus Williams who?
- Dennis Allen got worked this week by a simple offensive concept
- Kamara still has the juice
- Refs blow a ton of calls on both sides
- Apple played better than Lattimore

If our D line plays this way in the play offs we’ll be in trouble. If we don’t get healthy on our O line it’s going to be a quick run..

Davenport had good pressure but was held/hooked on nearly every play

SmashMouth 12-23-2018 10:42 PM

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SmashMouth 12-23-2018 10:43 PM

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SmashMouth 12-23-2018 10:46 PM

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SmashMouth 12-23-2018 10:47 PM

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homerj07 12-24-2018 08:47 AM

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Tough and hard fought victory. Way to go guys. Way to go!

SmashMouth 12-24-2018 10:30 AM

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Alvin Kamara runs with the balance of an alley cat
Alvin Kamara's uncanny balance was on display throughout the first half. He broke a pair of tackles on his 8-yard touchdown run in the second quarter and scored standing up while leaving two Steelers defenders prone and perplexed in his wake. Later, he weaved his way through a wave of Steelers defenders and tight-roped the sideline on a 31-yard catch and run to set up a Lutz field goal just before the end of the half. The latter gave the Saints a 17-14 halftime lead and momentum after surrendering a 97-yard touchdown drive in the final minute of the first half. Kamara has many skills as a runner, but his remarkable balance might be his most impressive asset. NFL defenders can't seem to knock him off his feet.


SmashMouth 12-24-2018 10:32 AM

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K Major 12-24-2018 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 830679)
Alvin Kamara runs with the balance of an alley cat
Alvin Kamara's uncanny balance was on display throughout the first half. He broke a pair of tackles on his 8-yard touchdown run in the second quarter and scored standing up while leaving two Steelers defenders prone and perplexed in his wake. Later, he weaved his way through a wave of Steelers defenders and tight-roped the sideline on a 31-yard catch and run to set up a Lutz field goal just before the end of the half. The latter gave the Saints a 17-14 halftime lead and momentum after surrendering a 97-yard touchdown drive in the final minute of the first half. Kamara has many skills as a runner, but his remarkable balance might be his most impressive asset. NFL defenders can't seem to knock him off his feet.

https://twitter.com/Saints/status/1076981638603534336


He's so damn smooth.

Special player.

SmashMouth 12-24-2018 10:46 AM

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darksoul35 12-24-2018 11:21 AM

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Great win but Lattimore needs to have more pride than that. I just feel like last year if he was matched up on Brown he would not have had half of those yards. They only have one true weapon and its frustrating to know where the ball is going to go and still cant stop it. I love how everyone else fought though.

K Major 12-24-2018 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by darksoul35 (Post 830688)
Great win but Lattimore needs to have more pride than that. I just feel like last year if he was matched up on Brown he would not have had half of those yards. They only have one true weapon and its frustrating to know where the ball is going to go and still cant stop it. I love how everyone else fought though.

IDK DS35, AB is the best WR in the NFL.

Latt plays better against bigger WR's who he can go with step for step. AB is smaller, fast as hell and consistently beats zone coverage. I don't think we'll face another WR remotely close to AB's game changing ability.

Collectively, that Steeler WR group is a match up nightmare for a lot of teams.

dizzle88 12-24-2018 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by darksoul35 (Post 830688)
Great win but Lattimore needs to have more pride than that. I just feel like last year if he was matched up on Brown he would not have had half of those yards. They only have one true weapon and its frustrating to know where the ball is going to go and still cant stop it. I love how everyone else fought though.

Very true, Lattimore got absolutely torched and how you allow that 17 yard completion on 4th and 15 is unthinkable. I was convinced Lattimore had just lost us the game after Brown beat him there.

Coaches said he started off slow due to lazy practice habits, I hope seeing Brown nearly get 200 yards and 2 TD's on you lights a fire.

TheOak 12-24-2018 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 830590)
B&G,

Go back and re watch the tape. He gave the offense the ability to stretch the field. Did you notice how the safeties could not sit inside the box? They weren't able to cheat on those routes.

Crossing patterns ? check.
Slant patterns ? check
In and out routes ? check

He is soooo much more valuable than just catching a pass. The guy performed like an experienced vet at WR.

Yep.. Ginn's real value isnt what he can personally do with a ball. His value is with what he makes a defense do because he in the field. His speed must be accounted for upfront and I think that opens up Thomas just enough to be a huge value.

SmashMouth 12-24-2018 02:04 PM

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SmashMouth 12-24-2018 02:40 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/VLvzDXo.png

http://cdn.madman.com.au/images/scre...hot_2_1488.jpg

WTH are you doing Kamara?

SmashMouth 12-24-2018 03:13 PM

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SmashMouth 12-24-2018 03:21 PM

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darksoul35 12-24-2018 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 830693)
IDK DS35, AB is the best WR in the NFL.

Latt plays better against bigger WR's who he can go with step for step. AB is smaller, fast as hell and consistently beats zone coverage. I don't think we'll face another WR remotely close to AB's game changing ability.

Collectively, that Steeler WR group is a match up nightmare for a lot of teams.

He did the same thing in week 1 against the Bucs. I still think he is one of the best corners and he is a personal favorite of mine but I was cussing him out through the t.v. last night.

K Major 12-24-2018 05:00 PM

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It's probably just me but all second half the snaps to Brees were a tad low?

Not sure if it was the anticipation of pressure up the middle, Watt on the outside or what but Drew had to reach to catch them out of the shotgun.

Could be nothing but for a fast track team like the Saints, rhythm and timing is everything.

darksoul35 12-24-2018 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 830755)
It's probably just me but all second half the snaps to Brees were a tad low?

Not sure if it was the anticipation of pressure up the middle, Watt on the outside or what but Drew had to reach to catch them out of the shotgun.

Could be nothing but for a fast track team like the Saints, rhythm and timing is everything.

I noticed them too. I didn't really think nothing of it until u mentioned it.

Beastmode 12-24-2018 05:46 PM

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Without Ginn we probably lose.

Hill had a massive run lane before the pick in double coverage. Take what is given. That was a 20 yard run. Take it next time.

Rookies WR's can't be trusted. Do not throw to them unless wide open. They will drop it or worse.

SmashMouth 12-25-2018 09:01 PM

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dam1953 12-25-2018 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 830880)

I loved Ingram’s post game comment about the record. He looked at Kamara and said his new record won’t stand for long.

When it comes to team records, truer words have rarely been spoken.

Ingram -55 TDS in 8 seasons
Kamara - 32 TDS in less than 2 seasons


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