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jeanpierre 01-20-2019 08:31 PM

Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 

jeanpierre 01-20-2019 08:32 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
BY BROOKS KUBENA | bkubena@theadvocate.com Jan 20, 2019 - 8:00 pm

Tommylee Lewis said he saw what everybody else saw.

The New Orleans Saints receiver couldn't hardly see at all on the play. Not with Los Angeles Rams cornerback Nickell Robey-Coleman in the way, jarring Lewis with his helmet and forearms, as the football followed, moments behind, skidding incomplete into the ground.

Lewis said he "bounced up looking for a flag" for pass interference, and he was "shocked" when he didn't see one.

He questioned the officials: "They didn't say anything."



The no-call will go down in infamy.

The boos that followed perhaps the most influential, controversial no-call in New Orleans Saints history — if not NFL history — are probably still echoing within the inner chambers of the Mercedes-Benz Superdome.

The Rams are going to the Super Bowl. Their 26-23 overtime victory over the Saints in the NFC championship game on Sunday sealed that.

But Sean Payton said the Saints will "probably never get over it" — the missed penalty off a wheel route on third-and 10 at the Rams 13; when New Orleans would have "only needed three plays" to run out the 1:48 that remained in regulation in a 20-20 game and kick the game-winning field goal that would have sent the Saints to their second Super Bowl in franchise history.

Rams head coach Sean McVay said he respected that the officials "let the guys compete and let the guys play."

"I thought it was a competitive-type play," McVay said. "And I am certainly not going to complain about the way that was officiated."

When Payton left the field, he said he spoke on the phone with Al Riveron, the NFL's senior vice president of officiating.

The first thing Riveron told Payton: "We messed it up."

The explanation?

"It was simple," Payton said. "They blew the call. It should never have not been a call. They said not only was it interference, it was helmet-to-helmet. There were two calls. They couldn't believe it."

Neither could the Saints fans inside the Superdome, the crowd of 73,028 that roared its displeasure when the replay was shown on the video screen again and again and again.

The P.A. voice boomed: SAINTS FANS. DO NOT THROW OBJECTS ONTO THE FIELD.

Some Saints fans did not listen.

Hats. Plastic bottles. They cascaded off the edge of the upper bowl like menacing Mardi Gras beads.

When Wil Lutz's 31-yard kick fell true, a plastic cup, still half-empty with beer, was flung over the edge, into the lower bowl where the boos brewed.

There was nothing in the NFL rulebook that could change the outcome.

As head referee Bill Vonovich said after the game: "It is not a reviewable play."

Perhaps that will change, Payton said, who pointed out he's on the NFL's competition committee, which has the power to adopt or modify rules.

"We all want to get it right, right? We've got plenty of technology to speed things up," Payton said. "I hope no other team has to lose a game like we lost that one today."

The Saints have been eliminated from the playoffs on garment-tearing plays in two consecutive seasons

Last season, it was the freak-play, 61-yard touchdown reception by Minnesota's Stefon Diggs that beat the Saints in the last seconds of the NFC divisional round.

That play could be perceived as a miracle.

But this loss to the Rams felt like robbery, and Payton's call from the league office confirmed it.

"So do you give us a rematch?" said Saints receiver Michael Thomas, shuffling at his locker. "Can we play them again next Sunday? Can we reset the clock? We weren't playing this game to end up like that."

But even after the no-call, there was still time.

The Rams still drove 45 yards to kick a game-tying field goal before the end of regulation.

The Saints still got the ball at the beginning of overtime — a drive that ended on a Drew Brees interception.

The defense still could have gotten a stop on the final drive of the game.

"Was it out of our control?" said Saints defensive end Cameron Jordan. "We let them get close to us. We ended up having a 10-, 13-point lead at one time. And you can't let your foot off the gas.

"We were defeated at the end of the day. So, we don't have the right to complain about the what-if's, the shouldas, the couldas."

But those what-ifs, shouldas and couldas always will be there.

neugey 01-20-2019 08:42 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
Targeting, and perhaps also pass interference, needs to be eligible for coach's challenge. On top of that, all roughing the passer should be automatically reviewed after it is called to make sure it was a credible foul. You just saw the bogus roughing on Brady 10 minutes ago. The NFL officials are simply entrusted with too much.

saintfan 01-20-2019 08:46 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
I've seen bad calls like this before. In High School. When the fix was in.

We were beat down and robbed.

Halo 01-20-2019 08:48 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
2 refs were on the scene and at 2 different angles, and neiher threw the flag.
Evidence is here. I posted this in another thread. It's real.


Quote:

Watch the replay in this tweet. Watch the entire replay.
You can see a side judge hat and another ref's pant stripe on the edge watch the entire thing happen and no flag. No excuse. These guys should be canned.

https://twitter.com/PokerWorld2018/s...23769985040384

2 Refs watched it happen directly...

1st Ref watched it happen head on....
https://i.imgur.com/omkOS87.png

2nd Ref, Side judge, watched it happen from 2nd angle....

https://i.imgur.com/lg4oYkN.png

ChrisXVI 01-20-2019 08:49 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
It’s always something with this team in the playoffs. Beastquake, the Vernon Davis catch, the Minneapolis Miracle, the PI no-call... I don’t know why I expected a different outcome today.

Halo 01-20-2019 08:51 PM

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bobdog86 01-20-2019 08:53 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
F**k the nfl...apology? Big deal.no sense pissing, moaning and whining. Changes zero. NFL got there big market, new darling into the superbowl

Halo 01-20-2019 08:54 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 835707)
F**k the nfl...apology? Big deal.no sense pissing, moaning and whining. Changes zero. NFL got there big market, new darling into the superbowl

Yep

neugey 01-20-2019 08:58 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
If the NFL is looking for a deal, I'd take the Rams 1st round pick, plus additional compensatory picks at end of the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

saintfan 01-20-2019 09:00 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neugey (Post 835709)
If the NFL is looking for a deal, I'd take the Rams 1st round pick, plus additional compensatory picks at end of the 2nd and 3rd rounds.


I said something similar. They should force LA to surrender that pick. The game is over. They effed it up, deliberately, and they got caught. All for money.

st thomas 01-20-2019 10:50 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 835707)
F**k the nfl...apology? Big deal.no sense pissing, moaning and whining. Changes zero. NFL got there big market, new darling into the superbowl



Xactly they don’t have fans so make some for la the market is huge I challenge potus to zero in on the fixed nfl

st thomas 01-20-2019 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 835692)



All season u see flags thrown so late why not for this game they had time to reprocess the scene in there frickin heads 10 times then still could have pulled a flag we were all waiting for one like a bunch of fools The National Fraud league

arsaint 01-21-2019 12:12 AM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 835711)
I said something similar. They should force LA to surrender that pick. The game is over. They effed it up, deliberately, and they got caught. All for money.




In the words of Judge Smails from Caddyshack...


"You'll get nothing and like it!"






That is what the Nutless Fixed League will do to correct this horrendous error.

A.8Manning 01-21-2019 12:42 AM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
It's propaganda. No mess up happened. It happened exactly as planned. It's blatant, the entire world saw it. Use some common sense. It's wwe

jeanpierre 01-21-2019 11:08 AM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
As a starter, I'd take the No. 1 pick in this upcoming draft as compensation...

Rugby Saint II 01-21-2019 12:41 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
Roger Godhell is secretly happy that he doesn't have to hand Sean Payton the Lombardi! The fix was in...…...

OldMaid 01-21-2019 01:17 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neugey (Post 835709)
If the NFL is looking for a deal, I'd take the Rams 1st round pick, plus additional compensatory picks at end of the 2nd and 3rd rounds.



Now THAT would be compensation.
This is fixable.:bng:

foreverfan 01-21-2019 02:03 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neugey (Post 835709)
If the NFL is looking for a deal, I'd take the Rams 1st round pick, plus additional compensatory picks at end of the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

http://russelldavies.typepad.com/pla...s/post_1_1.gif

ChrisXVI 01-21-2019 04:15 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
I just realized that the whole “Minneapolis Miracle” happened last year because Marcus Williams tried to avoid doing the exact same thing for fear of being flagged.

dizzle88 01-21-2019 04:25 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 835969)
I just realized that the whole “Minneapolis Miracle” happened last year because Marcus Williams tried to avoid doing the exact same thing for fear of being flagged.

Guarantee a flag would have been thrown on us.

Tough watching this happen every year.

nola_swammi 01-21-2019 04:28 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 835969)
I just realized that the whole “Minneapolis Miracle” happened last year because Marcus Williams tried to avoid doing the exact same thing for fear of being flagged.

he would have been flagged if had touched him before he scored touchdown the way the officiating is rigged

WHODATINCA 01-21-2019 04:45 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
From the "This will never happen department"....

REPORT: NFL rule allows Commissioner Roger Goodell to reverse outcome of Saints-Rams game

REPORT: NFL rule allows Commissioner Roger Goodell to reverse outcome of Saints-Rams game

NFL Rule 17, Section 2, Article 1.

The rule reads:

The Commissioner has the sole authority to investigate and take appropriate disciplinary and/or corrective measures if any club action, non-participant interference, or calamity occurs in an NFL game which the Commissioner deems so extraordinarily unfair or outside the accepted tactics encountered in professional football that such action has a major effect on the result of the game.

Utah_Saint 01-21-2019 05:04 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
They messed up decades ago when they decided their refs didn't need to be full time employees and didn't need to spend the offseason practicing.

This is a multi Billion dollar industry that just refuses to spend a little extra money and have professional referees. Ref's salaries are already crazy high but more than half of them have full time jobs outside of the NFL. Yet those same refs spent years NOT knowing what a catch is, they've spent the last few seasons not knowing what roughing the passer is. They miss holding calls every single play, every single one.

It's amazing that people can be so bad at their jobs and yet nothing gets done about it year after year.

st thomas 01-21-2019 07:54 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 835983)
They messed up decades ago when they decided their refs didn't need to be full time employees and didn't need to spend the offseason practicing.

This is a multi Billion dollar industry that just refuses to spend a little extra money and have professional referees. Ref's salaries are already crazy high but more than half of them have full time jobs outside of the NFL. Yet those same refs spent years NOT knowing what a catch is, they've spent the last few seasons not knowing what roughing the passer is. They miss holding calls every single play, every single one.

It's amazing that people can be so bad at their jobs and yet nothing gets done about it year after year.



There lawyers and there judges and ceos and ass holes so we no there corrupt so what’s new in this society if goodcluck would reverse the outcome then we would be the team in asterisk f um let um play the pats

jeanpierre 05-04-2019 09:07 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 

st thomas 05-04-2019 10:31 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 844170)



10 people brought this up today if goodhell had the balls like the lady steward that made the call ahhhhh

foreverfan 05-08-2019 01:14 PM

Re: Saints lose Super Bowl trip to Rams after controversial no-call; NFL says "We messed it up"
 
Usually you get KY when...



It still hurts.


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