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Winning the lawsuit is not important. Getting any positive results from the lawsuit is not important. What is important is that lawsuits are literally the only language you can speak, that a big corporation like the NFL will actually understand. Our society is so messed up these days, this is how you actually communicate with a large corporation. Through a lawsuit. I'm so glad this guy is suing, because it is allowing people to SPEAK, it is opening up the communication, from voices that otherwise the league would ignore and sweep under the rug and NEVER hear from. I say, let the lawsuit move forward, let it speak its piece, let the courts or the judge decide, let's see where it all goes. This is the only way the NFL will ever understand anything. And in theory the discovery portion of this lawsuit could potentially eventually reveal information to the world, about the NFL that otherwise would be buried and hidden from the light. So I think it's great that no matter what happens, in some fashion the league will be forced to respond to it. But again, this is the only language that a business like the NFL will actually understand.

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What I don't like is the people who say, 'regardless of the call Saints had early opportunities to capitalize on and they didn't blah blah blah" ANYTHING that happened prior to that non-call DOESN'T MATTER the team shooting itself in the foot has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with the NFL missing a game changing call. Correction* Not calling a game changing call, there's a difference

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I'm not sure how being a combat vet would cause anyone to have no qualms about righteous action. If you're fighting an enemy of your country, there isn't anything unrighteous about that, no matter what snow flakes out there might think.

But I agree, the right thing to do here is to go back to the point of the foul (or would-be foul), and pick it up from there. I don't know what makes anyone think that would be a low road.

There are low roads, for sure. Threatening people, for instance. You don't want to stoop to that level to get what you want. But, in this case, it's just a matter of exercising a rule that is already in existence (though, never used), and righting a wrong. It wasn't a close play. It wasn't "human error". It was so obvious that it HAD to be deliberate. If it wasn't, then that ref is completely incompetent. In either case, this is an extenuating circumstance that should call for the commissioner to finally exercise his
ability to make something right. If this isn't the right time for it, then the rule shouldn't even exist.

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WOW he told him in "anger" almost "HEY,..I said no penalty" SMH it's sad I will ALWAYS be a Saints fan, BUT never could I support the NFL and it's manipulation of the game and their poor accountability

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Precisely

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Re: Frank D'Amico files lawsuit against Goodell
 

No thanks.

Re: Frank D'Amico files lawsuit against Goodell
 

Hadn't seen this before, but it deserves more attention. I was never on the bandwagon of the game being 'fixed'... but I am not sure how much more evidence you would need. The official is telling his colleague (who saw it as PI) to not throw the flag.

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To civilians it can be just that clear. To the combatant it can be anything but... and that has absolutely nothing to do with snow flakes or anyone else's opinion. It has everything to do with the face in the mirror, the realization in the dead silence of night that comes to a 19 year old that there are mothers, wives and children that will forever have their lives changed by one action.

PTSD doesn't just come from things done to a person, it also comes from things a person has done as well.

Civilization subjectively rationalizes reasons and circumstances that make killing and stealing okay to do... doesn't make it so.

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Listen, buddy, I'm on your side on this one. And this might shock you, but one doesn't necessarily have to be a combat veteran to understand the implications of taking another's life. Sometimes I think non "civilians" can be just as ignorant of other people's comprehension of battle as they assume we are of theirs.

I'm not attempting, in any way, to marginalize or over simplify the fallout of war on a veterans life. What I am saying is simply that if you are fighting for the freedom of your country, that is a righteous cause. Sometimes, tragic things happen in the process. I get that. I said it was a righteous cause, not a glamorous and perfect one. Because on the flip side of those wives, mothers and children of your enemies being effected, is that if you don't eliminate the enemy, it will be your family who will suffer.

I realize that criminals can rationalize things in their own minds to make themselves think it's ok. But those kinds of people aren't actually rational, are they? When someone is threatening your citizens, there is nothing to rationalize. It's very simple: You take them out. There is no fine line there.

And those who say otherwise are snowflakes. They concern themselves with the ugliness of war, without bothering to think about the consequences of leaving our enemies unchecked. They live in a fantasy world, where they believe that you can just go in and neatly pluck out the bad guys, and poof, everything is fine. If a soldier takes a life of a non combatant civilian, intentionally, then that is murder. But that's not the righteous cause I'm speaking of, obviously.

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Goodell talks about protecting the integrity of the game. Here’s a chance to make it right and earn real respect nationwide.

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I know you are. You asked a question and I answered it. Your going on and on in an attempt to prove me wrong about a statement that started with “Maybe it is because”.... Maybe means just that, maybe. You are proving a lot but maybe it’s not what you are trying to prove.

Have a fantastic day brother! :bng:

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I know you enjoy insulting my comprehension skills, even though you never really prove that sentiment as being valid, but let me once again assure you that I understood what you said. The "maybe" you are referring to was only stated to qualify that "maybe" this was the reason why you had no problem pursuing justice, even if someone thought it to be the "low road". That has nothing to do with whether or not you have any qualms about taking up a righteous cause. You either have a problem with that, or you don't. I'm not an idiot, Oak. I know you're going to say that I'm telling you you're wrong again, but in fact, all I'm doing is telling you I got your point, and you ARE wrong to try to twist this into something it isn't.

Your statement, itself, I was NOT trying to prove you wrong on. You believe that the definition of "righteous" is all in the eye of the beholder.
I'm giving you my opinion that it is not. I'm defending you, and your status as a veteran. Whatever misgivings you might have, I'm trying to tell you that the cause is right. The outcome might not always be what we want, and the fallout is going to effect each person differently.

If you take offense to that and only see it as an argumentative, "I'm right, you're wrong" type of thing, then I'm sorry you see it that way. The way I see it, I'm just trying to help you see something you might not have considered.

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Note: The tackle box no longer exists once the ball leaves the tackle box.

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Re: Frank D'Amico files lawsuit against Goodell
 

Sorry, there's nothing that GotoHell could say(after 4 days of sitting on his hands) that will regain him any trust, least respect. NFL's 40 million dollar man
is like a no. 1 pick in the first round, HUGE bust. Shoulda been cut/fired long ago.

Besides no comment/restitution.
Al Riveron still employed and ref no. 60 still employed.
Also need to inquire why Vinovich, who clearly saw the infraction, did not
conference w/ refs involved. Vinovich needs to go also.
The officiating in the NFL has been so sh1tty for the last several years, that it has been hard to watch any game that doesn't involve the Saints.

I hope he and the league can afford the protection/security he'll nee, the next time he's in the Dome.

Hey Roger the Dodger; I ain't watching your sorry ass SB 53; and you can also count my absence to the Pro Bowl, you ruined years ago.

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This is lame

Bad image of our fans

Get over it

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You mean accept the screw job and pretend nothing happened? Sorry dude, I don't get my marching orders from ESPN. I've been following the Saints for all 52 years of their existence, and what I saw Sunday has ruined it for me unless changes are made and people are held accountable for their actions. Referees who can't do a better job than that need to be fired. Assuming they aren't following orders from on high to fix the outcome. Might as well watch WWE if they are. The NFL is a joke unless they fix this crap now.