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K Major 02-13-2019 07:17 AM

Saints aren't good enough at receiver to cut Cameron Meredith
 
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By John Sigler | Saintswire

Cameron Meredith and the New Orleans Saints didn’t get the inaugural season they wanted. Meredith logged just 114 yards through six games before landing on injured reserve following a surgical procedure on his knee. Now the Saints are staring at a $6.4 million salary cap hit for Meredith, knowing they can save more than $3.7 million by releasing him. But the Saints know something else: Their receiving corps isn’t good enough to punt on Meredith so soon.

Beyond Michael Thomas, no Saints receiver regularly threatened opposing game plans. Rookies Tre’Quan Smith and Keith Kirkwood had promising moments, sure, but quarterback Drew Brees struggled to connect with Ted Ginn Jr. after a terrific 2017 campaign. Austin Carr was talked up as a slot specialist and he notched as many catches as Meredith — in more than twice as many games. Tommylee Lewis was an afterthought forced into big moments due to injuries.

That deficiency is why we should expect the Saints to commit resources to improve the group in 2019. Dez Bryant should return for a second chance after his season ended before it could begin due to injury, similarly to Meredith. ...

Full Story - https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019...asley-cowboys/

jeanpierre 02-13-2019 08:23 AM

Re: Saints aren't good enough at receiver to cut Cameron Meredith
 
Our receiving corps will be better with a full off-season with Coach Curits...

We had no less than three rookie receivers (counting Dan Arnold move to TE) and that diminishes one-to-one time with the coach to get up to NFL speed...

I like our receiving corps already without Meredith, so if we can save that significant amount releasing him, then you release him...

Besides, we have that same receiver already in Keith Kirkwood who's younger, healthier, cheaper, and with a higher ceiling...

And, I'd rather have that money for an underneath WR like Adam Humphries or, better still, a defensive tackle or offensive lineman...

ScottF 02-13-2019 09:29 AM

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After Thomas, the entire WR depth chart is a giant question mark
Need more from Smith and Carr. Who knows on Kirkwood? Pick a position for Arnold. Then Ginn, Bryant, and Meredith: look great on paper if healthy, but the 25 combined catches might tell a truer story. Tommie Lee wouldn't be in the conversation if we didn't have these ^^ other ifs.

WalterFootball.com: 2019 NFL Free Agents - Wide Receivers

Beastmode 02-13-2019 09:39 AM

Re: Saints aren't good enough at receiver to cut Cameron Meredith
 
Injuries. All season. Never could get momentum. PI doesn't help either.

K Major 02-13-2019 10:14 AM

Re: Saints aren't good enough at receiver to cut Cameron Meredith
 
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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 838327)
After Thomas, the entire WR depth chart is a giant question mark
Need more from Smith and Carr. Who knows on Kirkwood? Pick a position for Arnold. Then Ginn, Bryant, and Meredith: look great on paper if healthy, but the 25 combined catches might tell a truer story. Tommie Lee wouldn't be in the conversation if we didn't have these ^^ other ifs.

I'd be very surprised if Carr makes the final 53 for 2019. Completely invisible.

I believe Simmie Cobb could leap frog him at camp.

jeanpierre 02-13-2019 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 838332)
I'd be very surprised if Carr makes the final 53 for 2019. Completely invisible.

I believe Simmie Cobb could leap frog him at camp.

Yeah, Brees surprised me when he jumped Carr's sh*t in a game for not being where he was suppose to be; that's still replaying in my mind when thoughts turn to Carr despite his talent...

I'd really like to see us make a modest run for Adam Humphries or Chris Hogan...

K Major 02-13-2019 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 838339)
I'd really like to see us make a modest run for Adam Humphries or Chris Hogan...[/B]

+1.

Chain movers and can create separation in crucial moments.

Read (Nola.com) where Michael Thomas was targeted 147 times last season. The rest of the receivers ... 122 and only 79 catches.

We gotta improve here.

Linky - > https://www.nola.com/expo/sports/g66...-receiver.html

Rugby Saint II 02-13-2019 11:53 AM

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Somehow we've got to get good enough....

jeanpierre 02-13-2019 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 838343)
...Read (Nola.com) where Michael Thomas was targeted 147 times last season. The rest of the receivers ... 122 and only 79 catches.

We gotta improve here
.

That's a great point. Funny thing is, for most other teams, that is the norm...

Sometimes we take for granted Brees' amazing ability read, react, and distribute the ball to so many different receivers...

dizzle88 02-13-2019 01:48 PM

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Payton lost trust in Snead far too quickly.

K Major 02-13-2019 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 838356)
Payton lost trust in Snead far too quickly.

It sure didn't help his cause when he became a ghost in NO after serving that suspension either.

vpheughan 02-13-2019 05:01 PM

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NORM OR SAM?

st thomas 02-13-2019 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 838346)
That's a great point. Funny thing is, for most other teams, that is the norm...



Sometimes we take for granted Brees' amazing ability read, react, and distribute the ball to so many different receivers...



Perfect and it’s the reason we need to regroup we have one legit and many in transitions.i know it would be another blessing draft to get a kamara type slot receiver out of it.its our history to have that ace in the hole to bail Brees out

CHA_CHING 02-13-2019 08:04 PM

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This was the worst receiving corps in the Payton era. They ranked outside the top 5 on yardage offense for the first time, largely due to how bad they hit the floor in that slump beginning with the Dallas game. They were never the same again after Dallas held them to 10 points.

To be fair, the WR corps was a problem in 2017 too. It's why they ran more of a Smashmouth style offense that year with Ingram and Kamara as their main strength. I said it all last year that the 2017 Saints were not well equipped to engage teams in shoot outs. We seen it in 3 of their losses that year (Minnesota, New England and Atlanta).

Brees has been as productive as ever at 38 and 39 years old, but he doesn't have loads of weapons to pick from like back in the day.

There is a reason they kicked the tires on a washed up Dez Bryant and later Brandon Marshall whom no one wanted at all.

We need WRs. You can talk about the blown non-call until you're blue in the face, but lack of WRs is what killed it for us going back to that game where Dallas exposed this as the major weakness of the team.

Go back to the final 6 weeks of the season (excluding the Carolina loss) where Brees' stats fell down to the floor and we struggled (including playoffs). All those games played out the same. Offense struggling, cause teams locked down and took MT and Kamara away from Brees or slowed them down to the point they couldn't go off. We couldn't even shut the door on the Eagles in that playoff game where we were dominating them, all cause of the offense struggling.

All the games we were blowing out teams, we were having STRONG performances by Thomas and/or Kamara just exploding and taking over games. None of these other WRs took over games at all. That was the blueprint to shutting our offense down - take away or minimize MT and Kamara, then they struggle all day moving down the field. The other WRs never stepped up during the year and Payton didn't really have an alternative to it.

We need WRs bad. If they don't get a #2 guy to help take the pressure off Thomas, then we are going to be in trouble next year. I wish we had a guy like how New England has Edleman. Edleman is there to take the pressure off Gronk and it works.

blackangold 02-13-2019 09:23 PM

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Outside of MT all of our WRs are trash. They could all go and we wouldn’t lose much.
Must get a TE in free agency.
At WR I’d like to get Dez back and healthy then sign Tate or Humphries.

I would take any other teams #2,3 and 4 WRs over ours.

CHA_CHING 02-14-2019 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 838375)
Outside of MT all of our WRs are trash. They could all go and we wouldn’t lose much.
Must get a TE in free agency.
At WR I’d like to get Dez back and healthy then sign Tate or Humphries.

I would take any other teams #2,3 and 4 WRs over ours.

I don't believe Dez is the answer that many think he is. People have to take into consideration that no other team wanted him and there is a reason why. We didn't even want him until we got to a point desperation half way into the season. His glory days are long behind him.

I agree that a TE is an absolute most. I wish Graham would've come back here, instead of chasing money in Green Bay where the cult of Aaron Rodgers was quick to throw him under the bus and blame him for their narcissistic baby QB's accuracy problems.

K Major 02-14-2019 07:24 AM

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I still like what Jesse James (TE) brings to the table.

He shouldn't break the bank and he's an upgrade over JHill. Jesse has very good hands (30 passes caught on 39 targets) & also blocks extremely well. A guy you can trust in clutch moments.

jeanpierre 02-14-2019 07:49 AM

Re: Saints aren't good enough at receiver to cut Cameron Meredith
 
Another thought on Sigler's article - Saints marched a No. 1 seed with a seemingly Superbowl appearance in hand, sans worst-missed-call-ever, all with no Cam Meredith - so his argument is false...

CheramieIII 02-14-2019 10:26 AM

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Kirkwood is the next Colston and with Thomas, Smith, Meredith and Bryant we will have one of the best WR Corps in the NFL!

dam1953 02-14-2019 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 838398)
Kirkwood is the next Colston and with Thomas, Smith, Meredith and Bryant we will have one of the best WR Corps in the NFL!

Kirkwood needs to move in with Drew. They need to get on the same page until they are finishing each other’s sentences.

Papa Voodoo 02-14-2019 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 838385)
I still like what Jesse James (TE) brings to the table.

He shouldn't break the bank and he's an upgrade over JHill. Jesse has very good hands (30 passes caught on 39 targets) & also blocks extremely well. A guy you can trust in clutch moments.

I want us to pursue UFA C.J. Uzomah from Cinci.

K Major 02-14-2019 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 838406)
I want us to pursue UFA C.J. Uzomah from Cinci.

I like C.J. too at TE.

Hopefully the Saints front office take a page from Bellichick. Surround Brees with receivers who can get open quickly. Not necessarily burners but a disciplined slot guy with a short area quickness.

I think Free Agency will be big since the Saints are limited in the draft.

Rugby Saint II 02-14-2019 01:15 PM

Re: Saints aren't good enough at receiver to cut Cameron Meredith
 
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 838356)
Payton lost trust in Snead far too quickly.

I believe that Snead was part of the locker room cancerous atmosphere and that was what made him expendable not his talent or production.


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