Sean Payton was frustrated with how Mark Ingram’s departure unfolded
 

Saints coach Sean Payton spent a lot of time talking about officiating at this week’s league meetings, but that wasn’t the only topic of conversation he engaged in during his time with reporters.

Payton also discussed the change to the team’s backfield that took place. Mark Ingram left for the Ravens as a free agent and Latavius Murray will now join Alvin Kamara as the running back duo in New Orleans. Payton said he is excited about having Murray and complimented the new arrival’s “exceptional speed” and ability as a pass blocker.

Payton also lamented the way that things unfolded with Ingram, who spent the last eight years in New Orleans.

“It happened pretty quickly,” Payton said, via NOLA.com. “Look, I’m excited for Mark’s opportunity. He’s been a tremendous, tremendous player for us and leader for us. It was frustrating because I felt there was little dialogue. At least usually, I’m able to visit with the player, and I wasn’t able to, so the ends and outs specifically to how that unfolded still to me are a little bit cloudy. Tried texting him, tried calling him, direct message. He texted me back, and then the next day we weren’t able to speak.”

Ingram signed a three-year, $15 million contract with $6.5 million in guaranteed money while the Saints gave Murray a four-year, $14.4 million deal with $7.2 million guaranteed in the first two years of the deal.

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Re: Sean Payton was frustrated with how Mark Ingram’s departure unfolded
 

With all due respect to Ingram, he never lived up to the hype and potential from where he was drafted and the fact we had to trade for him.

I wish him well, but I don't think he'll be a huge loss. Kamara quickly outshined him and in both of our last playoff years, Kamara was the difference maker.

Re: Sean Payton was frustrated with how Mark Ingram’s departure unfolded
 

Yeah he was good for us but I never saw him hit that homerun as often as I would have liked from him.

Re: Sean Payton was frustrated with how Mark Ingram’s departure unfolded
 

I 100% agree here.

RBs are inter-changeable. The Giants drafted Barkley last year who is a stud, but he didn't really fix the Giants offensive woes and their passing game was as horrific as it was the previous year without him.

In my opinion, Walter Payton was the GOAT of running backs and the Bears only got a single SB ring out of him.... and yet it took a historical defense and an above average passing game that made them a truly elite offense, all to get that 1 SB ring with him.

Re: Sean Payton was frustrated with how Mark Ingram’s departure unfolded
 

IMO, fans never forgave Ingram for getting stuffed on and 2-point conversion play on the road against the Packers in his rookie year; I personally don't blame him because every person watching knew that Ingram was going to get the ball.

And he fumbled against the seapigeons in a road playoff game, so that didn't help his resume either.

Re: Sean Payton was frustrated with how Mark Ingram’s departure unfolded
 

Just imagine how frustrated Mark Ingram is with the way things worked out.

Re: Sean Payton was frustrated with how Mark Ingram’s departure unfolded
 

It sounds like his agent didn't try hard at all for Ingram to remain in New Orleans. His frustration should be with the agent.

Re: Sean Payton was frustrated with how Mark Ingram’s departure unfolded
 

We lost that game to Green Bay in 2011 due to not having any defense. I can't blame that game solely on Ingram, cause we nearly gave up 50 points that night. Rodgers picked on Patrick Robinson that entire game, who was a weak link in the defense at the time. You could also blame special teams cause I remember Randall Cobb going off. That's back when the Packers were an actual scary team, back when Rodgers was at his peak as an elite QB and they had multiple weapons on offense (and yet still went one and done in the playoffs that year LOL).

Ingram was an inconsistent RB and fans had every right to feel disappointed in him considering where he was drafted in the first round and the fact we traded up for him. The Bears just traded Jordan Howard away whom in 3 years accomplished much more than Ingram. Ingram's best two seasons still aren't as good as Howard's rookie season. The Bears trading a good RB like that is proof that they are inter-changeable. People tend to put too much emphasis on RBs. Like I said in a previous post; I believe Walter Payton was the GOAT RB and yet the Bears only got a single SB ring out of him and it took a historical defense and an above average passing game for them to get there. On other sites, people like to throw Emmitt Smith in there, but he don't get his 3 rings either without Dallas' elite defenses, HoF QB and the other HoFer catching passes thrown by that QB to give them an elite offense.

I remember being so frustrated with Ingram cause one week, he would absolutely tear it up, usually against some garbage team. Then he would play mediocre the next week when your expectations are high.

It took him until 2016 to have a break out year and even then, he was frustrating that year too. The Seahawks game where he got benched for fumbling twice was a highlight. He had some of his best games against trash teams, but didn't quite come up in the big games where we needed him. Most of his best games in 2016 game against the crap teams we played (49ers, Rams, Cardinals, Bucs).

Another thing I remember was that it seemed that any time he had a fumble in a game, he'd follow it up with another fumble later on in the same game.

He did absolutely nothing in the 2017 playoffs and I bring this up because the 2017 offense relied almost entirely on a smashmouth style heavy rush attack (like the 2018 team, in 2017 we didn't have enough weapons on offense to engage in shootout games, so we relied on running the ball). It was Kamara having all the big plays against Minnesota, helping us come back into that game. I don't remember Ingram doing anything significant either in this past year's playoffs.

I don't think he's going to be a huge loss for us.

Re: Sean Payton was frustrated with how Mark Ingram’s departure unfolded
 

Re: Sean Payton was frustrated with how Mark Ingram’s departure unfolded
 

When I'm trying to do business, and it's very delicate, there's tension(s), or things are problematic - I do not text, I call till I speak to someone...

Today's generation hides what they're truly feeling, more so this generation avoids awkwardness, loss of face, out of fear of conflict that leads to public embarrassment...

I've dismissed contract employees after two warnings of texting me re: no show, not being available to work - you call me...

Worse part is I'm reputed of being too laid back with part time help and letting them no show for far less conflicting excuses that my generation were allowed...

My Dad's generation when returning to work had to be backed in out of an ambulance, from the front, with injuries recently triaged...

Education today really needs to account for technological changes in our lives and folks apparently need to be taught manners and ethics of texting, including a back-door lesson in avoidance...

Blame should rest with both - If Mark were that important, and with the resources Payton has at his disposal, Payton should have gone to Ingram and confronted Ingram...

Ultimately, most of it is on Mark. Ingram should've answered the phone and spoke to Payton directly as that access, contact is not restricted with potential returning free agents...

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Re: Sean Payton was frustrated with how Mark Ingram’s departure unfolded
 

Re: Sean Payton was frustrated with how Mark Ingram’s departure unfolded
 

Mark Ingram just like most RBs has always wants/wanted to be a feature back. This may have had more to with what the Ravens promised him vs the carry's he knew he would/wouldn't get with the Saints, than money. Especially since it 'looks' like we signed an additional RB before Mark signed with the Ravens..

jeanpierre - Payton said he tried calling him and I would have to assume that calling was the first option attempted, then the texting or direct message.

Re: Sean Payton was frustrated with how Mark Ingram’s departure unfolded
 

I look for Baltimore to continue to run their weird Smashmouth style offense with Lamar Jackson. They will run Ingram in this offense and who knows? He might rack up big numbers due to a run heavy offense, but the pressure won't be on him.

That offense won't get them far unless Jackson eventually develops as a passer. This is not the 1960's or 1970's and you can't run an offense centered around a rush-heavy approach anymore. Even back then, the teams who won SBs all had an above average passing game and good QB play.

The 2000 Ravens and 2015 Broncos are the two exceptions of winning SBs with historical defenses doing all the heavy lifting. The 2000 Ravens had one of the easiest schedules ever facing god awful QBs cause 2000 was right in the middle of that weird 3 year period between 1999 to 2001 where there really weren't any great teams. The 1999 Rams and 2000 Ravens both benefited from years where the league was at a time of change (The 2001 Rams too, as they benefited from a third year in a row with a weak NFC).

That Broncos team from a few years ago had a poor offense with the corpse of Peyton Manning and Brock Osweiler at QB, but I believe it helped that Manning still had his smarts and could read defenses. Despite how bad he was in 2015, Manning was smart in that playoff run up to the SB to run the ball, not force any bad passes and make zero turnovers. But it still took a historical defense to even get them there.

The term "defense wins championships" has some truth to it, but many people forget that the defense needs a bit of help from their offense. Like I have said before about the 1985 Bears; many people leave out that they had an elite offense that year and it was one of the few years of Walter Payton's career where the offense had an above average passing game and at least good QB play. IMO this was the problem with the Dome Patrol during Mora's year. They only had one year (1992) where they had an above average passing game and yet Hebert saved his worst game for the playoffs that year.

I don't think we'll ever see another team like the 2000 Ravens or 2015 Broncos win the SB with all defense now that the rules don't allow you to really get physical and rough up QBs and WRs. Baltimore last year was like a carbon copy of their old 2000's teams. They had the struggling offense but countered it with an elite defense. It didn't get them anywhere, cause the defense can't score points. That defense was not the problem either vs the Chargers. They did their jobs while the offense kept shooting themselves up in the foot.