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ChrisXVI 04-02-2019 07:37 PM

Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams
 

Welcome back PJ. He made great strides last year as the season went on- really started coming into his own. He’ll probably be suspended to start the season but it’ll be good to have him down the stretch.

jeanpierre 04-02-2019 08:15 PM

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ChrisXVI 04-02-2019 08:34 PM

Re: Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams
 
Heck of a pay raise too...


jeanpierre 04-02-2019 09:16 PM

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Makes sense because with only one draft pick (currently) in the first one hundred-fifty picks, next not till 168th, and a small CB group in this draft class, we're not getting a talented CB unless one falls at 62...

Shore CB up now and focus on S, C, G, OT, TE, WR, LB, DE...

So this is where we are now in the Defensive Secondary:

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (ERFA 2019)

NCB (2) 21 - Patrick Robinson (IR), 35 - Marcus Sherels (FA 2019), 28 - Chris Campbell (RFC 2019)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 31 - Chris Banjo (FA 2019)

SS (2) 24 - Vonn Bell, 48 - J.T. Gray

LCB (2) 25 - Eli Apple, 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 20 - Ken Crawley (RFA 2019)

Thirty3 04-02-2019 10:34 PM

Re: Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams
 
Not concerned about secondary. If our guys commit to training we’ll and keep their heads in the whole process, talent and smarts are there.

saintsfan1976 04-03-2019 04:54 AM

Re: Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams
 
Still need another DE who can rotate in and effectively pressure the passer. I'm hoping Ansah comes to Nola after the draft.

CheramieIII 04-03-2019 06:57 AM

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Good signing!

K Major 04-03-2019 07:09 AM

Re: Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 841942)
Still need another DE who can rotate in and effectively pressure the passer. I'm hoping Ansah comes to Nola after the draft.

I hope so too. If the medical check comes back ok, I think he gets signed.

Rsanders24 04-03-2019 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 841928)

I like that...I said many time last season that he was the best tackler in the secondary based on what I saw during the game. Really good in the open field and that is important for a slot CB.

I’m glad he’s back!

K Major 04-03-2019 07:32 AM

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PJ had his highs and lows in 2018 however I believe he's a starter for a lot of other NFL teams. Decent in zone and can play slot.

Definitely don't want to be looking for "just another guy" off the couch late in the season.

As others have stated, I'm glad PJ is back too.

voodooido 04-03-2019 09:13 AM

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5 million for a cb thats 4th string and gets smoked every other play.

AsylumGuido 04-03-2019 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 841958)
5 million for a cb thats 4th string and gets smoked every other play.

Five million isn't what it used to be even recently as ten years ago.

SmashMouth 04-03-2019 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 841967)
Five million isn't what it used to be even recently as ten years ago.

Tell that to the little people out there... :bng:

jeanpierre 04-03-2019 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 841942)
Still need another DE who can rotate in and effectively pressure the passer. I'm hoping Ansah comes to Nola after the draft.

Actually, Edwards was the starting DE in OAK across from Khalil Mack just a couple of years ago; he wasn't a great edge rusher, but was good for 4~6 sacks and decent pressure...

Edwards was signed before other edge rushers because of his versatility he brings as both a DT3 and SDE. In the depth chart excerpt I have here, you can kinda see where we are and illustrates my point...


DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 99 - Mario Edwards, Jr. (FA 2019)

NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown (FA 2019), 76 - Taylor Stallworth

DT3 (2) 98 - Sheldon Rankins (IR), 93 - David Onyemata, 99 - Tomasi Laulile (RFC 2019)

LDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 91 - Trey Hendrickson

Now, the injury to Rankins and possible looming discipline for Onyemata jumps out immediately and is why Edwards was signed as he can play at that DT3 spot...

As things are, we have a three-man rotation at DE (Jordan, Davenport, Hendrickson) and a three-man rotation at DT/NT (Brown, Stallworth, Edwards) to start the season...

Anything Laulile, formerly a DE, can offer is lagñiappe in addition to the 3-man rotation among the DTs, but he's likely a camp body, practice squad development project...

Point I'd make is there's no guarantee Rankins makes it back for this season; and, Big O likely misses four (4) games; so we have need for a true pass rushing DT3 to reduce wear, tear...

While Edwards can rotate as a DT3, you still need a big DE end that can set that edge; my criticism of record of the Davenport trade set aside, Davenport has yet to play a full season as the starting DE...

For my money, I'd leave Edwards right where he is, taking pressure off of Davenport and making the DE position one of strength, elite depth as it was last season...

Let's focus on getting a DT3 who can come in with Big "O" and offer some pop now, rotate with Edwards the first four games (hopefully) and give us options downstream...

And if Rankins, who's been on IR/PUP every season of his career, doesn't fully recover, the team having a young DT3 has options with impending contract extensions on the horizon...

ChrisXVI 04-03-2019 03:43 PM

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I’m not really sure why Onyemata would be suspended. He wasn’t arrested and he didn’t fail a drug test.

rezburna 04-03-2019 04:05 PM

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He got better as the season went along. He’s decent in the slot. I think he found his spot.

jeanpierre 04-04-2019 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 841974)
I’m not really sure why Onyemata would be suspended. He wasn’t arrested and he didn’t fail a drug test.

Great Point.

First infraction involving League banned substances usual consequences entail that a player gets a warning notification, along with...

The player is put into the league evaluation and assessment system, a probation of sorts...

This includes league education of banned substances and recognizing substance abuse. Mandated abstinence not only from banned substances, but alcohol...

Upon completion of the League self-awareness, self-evaluation program, they are also strongly encouraged to do more community service with their down time as idle minds are the Devil's playground...

But the Big O can expect many last minute dates in the bathroom with a stranger that has a fetish for his piss for the rest of his playing career...

jeanpierre 04-04-2019 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 841958)
5 million for a cb thats 4th string and gets smoked every other play.

Look at what little draft capital we still have and how few quality CBs there are in this year's draft; not to mention what little was on the free agency market...

That offer was cash, one year, he's off the market, and Payton/Loomis just bought themselves of notable cap expense, another year to acquire either draft capital to replace him or next season's free agency...

At the end of the day, not many guys want to be a 4th CB on a team; he definitely improved as he got more snaps, opportunities and he already knows the system, locker room...

Crusader 04-04-2019 02:56 AM

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Solid move. He knows the system and have chemistry with the other players. Should be able to keep improving.

Rugby Saint II 04-04-2019 12:47 PM

Re: Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 841934)
Makes sense because with only one draft pick (currently) in the first one hundred-fifty picks, next not till 168th, and a small CB group in this draft class, we're not getting a talented CB unless one falls at 62...

Shore CB up now and focus on S, C, G, OT, TE, WR, LB, DE...

So this is where we are now in the Defensive Secondary:

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (ERFA 2019)

NCB (2) 21 - Patrick Robinson (IR), 35 - Marcus Sherels (FA 2019), 28 - Chris Campbell (RFC 2019)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 31 - Chris Banjo (FA 2019)

SS (2) 24 - Vonn Bell, 48 - J.T. Gray

LCB (2) 25 - Eli Apple, 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 20 - Ken Crawley (RFA 2019)

I don't know much about Sherels besides he's a really good return man. I didn't even know he could play nickel corner. PJ Williams did a respectable job there last year and I'm glad he's back to keep growing in the system no matter where he plays when his name is called.

I feel good with him as a solid backup and five million is worth the peace of mind to me and apparently Loomis feels the same way.

AsylumGuido 04-04-2019 01:31 PM

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Communications is critical to the success to a secondary and the less turnover the better. To me, bringing back a capable CB is better than bringing in a new one with no on field experience with the others ... even if technically better.

ChrisXVI 04-04-2019 01:49 PM

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There’s no guarantee that PRob will even still have it this season. He’ll be 32 and coming back from torn ligaments in his ankle. We definitely need PJ.

Papa Voodoo 04-05-2019 02:13 PM

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With the physical style I'd like to see him play some free safety.

ChrisXVI 04-11-2019 04:53 PM

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Not that much after all.

The Dude 04-14-2019 12:13 PM

Re: Saints Re-Sign CB PJ Williams
 
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Originally Posted by Thirty3 (Post 841940)
Not concerned about secondary. If our guys commit to training we’ll and keep their heads in the whole process, talent and smarts are there.

I look for Marcus Williams and Crawley to turn it around too. Williams can play like he did his rookie year this backfield could be scary good. Crawley could wind up being extremely solid depth or even take his job back from Apple.

Interested to see how a healthy P-rob changes things. He was doing pretty well before the injury on his own but our other guys couldn’t get on the same page. When he went down is when our DBs started to gel. I remember one or two of our guys, Marcus Williams being one saying they were having trouble getting it together with the “new guys”. P-Rob specifically. I really didn’t get that statement seeing as how NONE of them played together the year before and did fine.


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