PFT: Myles Garrett: Gregg Williams only let me use two moves
 

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I found this interesting from those comments :

"I remember hearing an interview with Scott Fujita where he was asked about Gregg Williams. He said that Gregg had a lot of “cartoonish tough talk” that works with the young guys but it gets old if you’re a vet. Fujita won a super bowl with Williams as his DC and didn’t have much positive to say. I always found that interesting."

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This is an interesting tidbit. It always grinds my gears when I hear fans say "he won us a Super Bowl!" like GW was the main reason we got that ring. Pull up the defensive rankings of the 2009 Saints and they are one of the statistical worst defenses to ever win a Super Bowl. They are comparable to the 2001 Patriots and 2007 Giants and yet both those teams had better defensive statistical rankings than we did.

They ranked 25th overall in total defense on yards and 20th in points. Pass and run defense also ranked in the mid to low 20s. This was not one of the better defenses of 2009 unless you are exclusively judging by turnovers. It's actually very rare for teams that have defenses that rank in the 20s but high in turnovers to eventually win the SB. New England in 2010 were ranked #1 in turnovers, but their defense was in the 20s (pass defense ranked in the bottom 4), they went one and done. Green Back in 2011 had a horrible defense but were ranked #1 in turnovers and they lost in the first round too. Opportunistic defenses don't always go far, our 2009 team was an exception to the trend.

The only thing they ranked high on was turnover differential where they were #1. This was not a shutdown defensive unit like fans tend to think. We all forget how scared we were in 2009 cause there were games where they couldn't stop teams and had to rely on turnovers. Kevin Kolb was made into a household name cause of the big stat numbers he put against us in week 2. Marc Bulger and the 1-15 Rams had their best offensive game against us, Jason Campbell looked like a pro bowler against GW's defense.

I also like to mention that while we were getting all those turnovers, it suddenly stopped after the Redskins game. If you discount the NFCCG vs Minnesota where they were just giving us the ball away constantly, we went from averaging 3 turnovers a game down to 1.

The 2009 Saints had the #1 ranked offense in scoring and we had a top 5 run unit that year. That was really the major difference between our offense and the Colts. The Colts rushing offense ranked dead last, meanwhile we had something of a 3-headed rushing attack with PT, Bell and Bush.

Brees also had a better QBR and ranked better in advanced passing stats than MVP Manning. I strongly believe Manning only won the 2009 MVP cause the Colts ranked dead last in rushing offense and one of the big stories was how Manning was the glue holding that team together. Despite starting 14-0, the Colts really weren't that dominant in 2009. They barely won a number of their games needing Manning to set a record for 4th quarter game winning drives. Remember, we spanked the Patriots with ease that year. The Colts needed a big comeback from Manning and then Bill B making a huge mistake on 4th down to just barely escape that game with a win.

IMO fans often don't give Brees and Payton the credit they deserve for 2009, and instead GREGGGGGGGGG is made out to be some defensive mastermind which he absolutely was not. Brees won SB MVP for a reason; he was like a surgeon out there that night, not only matching the league MVP step for step, but outplaying him. If the Tracy Porter pick six don't happen and Indy ties that game, I strongly believe Brees has a heroic game winning drive to finish it.

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I'm not a GW fan. Never was.

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That whole staff was garbage... GW, Joe Vitt, Bill Johnson, etc. I forget who said it, but after we hired Ryan Nielsen someone said “We actually practice pass rush moves now.”

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You can thank Darren Sharper and the backfield, jar hitting front line and decent lb'er play.We could stop teams for scoring at will and Williams was a huge part of that. Nothing dominate on the D side but decent enough. I'm not a stat guy never have been and never will be but will at least give credit where it's due. Oh and Williams really never was able to get top notch players the entire time he was here unlike Payton loading up on the O side.I'll always be thankful he helped us win the big game, haven't been back since with the other coaches.

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In all SERIOUSNESS an NFL $20,000,000 per year salary breaks down to $54,794.00 a day!!!

“cartoonish tough talk” ?

Grown ARSE MEN don't need that!! :rofl:

As long as "They take it one game at a time and give 110% while leaving it all on the field, protecting their house on any given Sunday!! It is what it is while on to next opponent"!!

"These Fans Are Rockin'!"
With ticket prices these days, the average TICKET cost at the Super Dome is $256.00 each, which by the way is the 7th most expensive in the NFL.

Tell me again about "SMALL MARKET TEAMS" :rofl:

https://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-...tadium-2019-11

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I get that GW wasn't the most innovative Defensive Coordinator ever but he did one thing that changed our D, he altered their mindset.

Every play was an opportunity to steal the ball and you saw that in their play, didnt always work out but it won us a ton of games when it did.

Anyone care to remember the 2007 and 2008 Gary Gibbs Defenses? They did what Allen's D does now, blows a late lead.

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Gregg Williams WAS the main reason we lost to SF in 2011z

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I have never disputed that on this board or the other Saints forum. I have always maintained a strong stance that Williams defense was not only the main reason we lost to SF in 2011, but the problem with that team all together.

The problem was masked thanks to playing an easy schedule full of horrible defenses that our offense willingly padded stats and ran up scores on. I get a lot of flack from fans for not bowing down and worshiping the 2011 team, but I don't cause they went most of that year without being truly challenged. SF's defense was a brick wall they slammed into and struggled with for most of that game. The 2011 defense had already made mediocre at best QBs like Jake Locker and Josh Freeman look like Pro Bowlers.

And that is why they never achieved anything outside 2009.

Go back to the Beastmode run. They didn't bother trying to tackle, kept trying to snatch the ball free.

I don't miss Gregg Williams. The difference is that between 2009 to 2012, Brees was in his prime and our offense could put points on the board. They averaged 36 points a game in the playoffs.

Williams' defense did the same thing of making crap QBs look like pro bowlers. Look up Kevin Kolb. Had the game of his career against us in 2009, then became a hot name going into the next year only to flame out. Marc Bulger had the last great game of his career against us in 2009. Chad Henne had a good game against us for 3 quarters. You could make a list of crap QBs who performed well against GW's defense.

Allen's defense definitely blows it late in games but it's not the only problem with our team the past 3 years. Payton has been firmly out-coached in all 3 of our playoff exits, and Brees is no longer in his prime and has played pretty badly in the playoffs.

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I believe this to. I honestly believe if we wouldn't have blitz them play after play in pre-season they wouldn't have a blueprint to beat us in the playoffs, Watching the pre-season game I told the wife that it was going to bite us in the butt, and it did. He gave away every card we had.

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Even though GW messed the ending of that game up, I find it hilarious that people refuse to blame Brees and the Offense when they turned the ball over 5 times in that game.

That game could have been over in the first half with the way Brees played, but the D held firm, unfortunately the Vernon Davis catch and run crippled us, people will forever think it was only the D that doomed us that day.

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I can't dispute that part to.

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How exactly does Gregg Williams control what moves an edge rusher uses? Wouldn’t a player do whatever they wanted to win their reps?

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I partly agree here, except on your second part. That game was never going to be an easy one for us. The only thing that really kept us in that game all day was the Niners being unable to convert on 3rd downs. It was their Achilles' heel that entire season. They went 13-3 thanks to their defense while the offense barely did enough to win them games. They had a kicker that year break Jerry Rice's point record.

Like I said in previous post; the 2011 team was a paper tiger. They really aren't that different from the 2013 Broncos. Both had record setting offenses that padded stats and ran up scores. Only difference was Denver had a better defense than us and they managed to get through a weak AFC where they slammed into a brick wall in the SB facing a legit defense.

We got our brick wall earlier in the playoffs, didn't even reach the SB. I know many Saints fans truly think the 2011 team was some "greatest team to never win a SB" but I have never bought into that. We had a bottom 4 defense in terms of DVOA. That defense was bad and they had struggled with average at best QBs.

The 2011 team struggled on the road even with crappy teams. Go back to the Falcons game where we blew a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter. Mike Smith gave that game to us by going for it on 4th down in OT, giving us the ball in field goal range. We struggled with a crappy Titans team with Jake Locker at QB. Got our asses handed to us by the Rams, struggled with Tampa Bay and Carolina on the road too. It shouldn't have surprised anyone that we made Alex Smith look like the second coming of Steve Young in that game. I knew we were going to lose when they got that TD on the Tecmo Super Bowl bootleg run play.

The Niners were never going to be a pushover in 2011. It was insane that we were even favored on the road against them when they had the #1 ranked defense given how badly we struggled with the Lions the week prior. Fans forget, that Payton had to start going for it on 4th down in that game, cause we couldn't stop Stafford. Let them put 28 points on the board and get into a shoot out.