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Beastmode 07-22-2019 11:20 PM

Latavius Murry
 
I thought I was ok with him but the more I look at it not feeling it. For one, he's much taller than Ingram, not really a bowling ball kind of RB. His catch ability might be fine but nothing like Ingram. Ingram was also an exceptional blocker. I have not seen that in Latavius.

I don't think he will be nearly as successful as Ingram. Totally different skill set and not a firm handle on the playbook yet.

He is likely effective around the GL and short yardage. Outside of that no. He does not do what we need him to do from what I have seen.

CHA_CHING 07-23-2019 01:24 AM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 848383)
Totally different skill set and not a firm handle on the playbook yet.

This is where offensive adjustments will come into play.

I'm expecting our offense to most likely be tweaked a good bit from last year's.

K Major 07-23-2019 07:39 AM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
Kind of hard to "shine" when guys (Vikes O line ranked #25th) up front were not getting it done.

Sean Payton is the most innovative, creative coach out there. Latavius will be just fine in New Orleans.

Edit ** The Vikes O line actually ranked 29th after 17 weeks of football in 2018.

Source - > https://www.pff.com/news/pro-2018-nf...-after-week-17

Cruize 07-23-2019 07:41 AM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
The Saints needed a backup and they went out and got the best they could. I personally think if Ozigbo gets a legit shot, he could exit camp as the #2 RB.

AsylumGuido 07-23-2019 08:11 AM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 848383)
I thought I was ok with him but the more I look at it not feeling it. For one, he's much taller than Ingram, not really a bowling ball kind of RB. His catch ability might be fine but nothing like Ingram. Ingram was also an exceptional blocker. I have not seen that in Latavius.

I don't think he will be nearly as successful as Ingram. Totally different skill set and not a firm handle on the playbook yet.

He is likely effective around the GL and short yardage. Outside of that no. He does not do what we need him to do from what I have seen.

The dynamics of the offense is naturally going to be different than what we saw in 2018. The young WR's will have another year under their belt. We will have a true threat at TE. Why would we want Murray to simply be a Mark Ingram 2.0? As K Major pointed out, Murray was playing behind a bad offensive line and wasn't even being used that much until Dalvin Cook went down 2/3rds of the way through the season.

I doubt any of us has seen what Murray is actually capable of doing. But, I'm sure Payton has a good idea how he can be used.

K Major 07-23-2019 08:51 AM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
What I found interesting is that Murray and Ingram's stats were eerily similar (y/a, yards & rush attempts) in terms of production for 2018.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MurrLa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...I/IngrMa01.htm

Beastmode 07-23-2019 09:00 AM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
I've seen most of his games last few years. Raiders had some success smashing at the GL. Not much of a pass catcher though or shifty but he does have some open field speed.

What I hope doesn't happen is he is used 90% of the time for dive runs but that is probably what will happen. If he was a strong receiver he would have been used that way. Just not something he does.

FinSaint 07-23-2019 09:25 AM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
He "took the game over" couple of times with the Vikes running and catching the ball.

I'm not too worried about him, and if Kamara goes down, there are few RBs in the league anyway that could fill that void.

Beastmode 07-23-2019 09:39 AM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
I could see him having success with Taysom in there. A mini Ravens package.

Utah_Saint 07-23-2019 09:48 AM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 848395)
I've seen most of his games last few years. Raiders had some success smashing at the GL. Not much of a pass catcher though or shifty but he does have some open field speed.

What I hope doesn't happen is he is used 90% of the time for dive runs but that is probably what will happen. If he was a strong receiver he would have been used that way. Just not something he does.

Murray has almost the same catch % as Ingram, with close to the same yards/target and yards/reception.

It'll probably take Murray a little time to get comfortable in the offense but by the middle of the season I really don't expect to see much of a difference in production between the two.

Rugby Saint II 07-23-2019 10:23 AM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
Just be glad Murray is here. I've been watching the Vikings game and he was a difference maker. Sean Payton will scheme him to succeed.

K Major 07-23-2019 10:49 AM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 848383)
I thought I was ok with him but the more I look at it not feeling it. For one, he's much taller than Ingram, not really a bowling ball kind of RB. His catch ability might be fine but nothing like Ingram. Ingram was also an exceptional blocker. I have not seen that in Latavius.

Beast -

In your spare time, read up some of the reports from respected Vikes writer Arif Hasan (our equivalent to Nick Underhill) on Murray. Here's a quick quote ..

"Murray sports solid hands and excellent pass protection skills. At times his task was taking on DE's, not just blitzing linebackers. Still buys time at finding ways for his QB. He's had success in Oakland doing this as well in MN. I think he'll continue to do this in New Orleans".

Saints filled a hole & found a "fit" when we were not able to re sign Mark.

We're fine.

Beastmode 07-23-2019 11:03 AM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 848410)
Beast -

In your spare time, read up some of the reports from respected Vikes writer Arif Hasan (our equivalent to Nick Underhill) on Murray. Here's a quick quote ..

"Murray sports solid hands and excellent pass protection skills. At times his task was taking on DE's, not just blitzing linebackers. Still buys time at finding ways for his QB. He's had success in Oakland doing this as well in MN. I think he'll continue to do this in New Orleans".

Saints filled a hole & found a "fit" when we were not able to re sign Mark.

We're fine.




I've watched just about all his games the last few years. The Vikes and Raiders did let him walk for a reason. Good but not good enough to be the feature RB. We had two featured RB's.

vpheughan 07-23-2019 11:08 AM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
Many players are allowed to "walk" Take Peyton Manning, he may have been a mere shadow of himself but went to back to back Super Bowls and even "Won" one.

K Major 07-23-2019 11:17 AM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 848419)
I've watched just about all his games the last few years. The Vikes and Raiders did let him walk for a reason. Good but not good enough to be the feature RB. We had two featured RB's.

Not really sure what your expectations are for a #2 back in NO. I've provided real NFL game stats & quotes from a beat reporter who is well respected and has broken down a ton of his game footage.

Murray pickup was a good scouting move & subsequent signing. Big bruising back who bowls over defenders. He is faster than he looks because he is a big guy. He is an excellent blocker and can catch the ball decent. He's also the type back who can take over a game in the 4th quarter and wear out a defense. He is also lethal on 3rd or 4th and one.

I loved Ingram but he's a Raven now. Turn the page, training camp is starting in less than a week & we have a Super Bowl to win :bng:.

CHA_CHING 07-23-2019 11:58 AM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 848389)
Kind of hard to "shine" when guys (Vikes O line ranked #25th) up front were not getting it done.

Sean Payton is the most innovative, creative coach out there. Latavius will be just fine in New Orleans.

Edit ** The Vikes O line actually ranked 29th after 17 weeks of football in 2018.

Source - > https://www.pff.com/news/pro-2018-nf...-after-week-17

Also Minnesota completely changed their offense after throwing the bank at Kirk Cousins. They went from a balanced offense to pass-happy and it didn't really do them any favors when Cousins stunk it up against good teams.

SmashMouth 07-23-2019 12:33 PM

Re: Latavius Murry
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 848390)
The Saints needed a backup and they went out and got the best they could. I personally think if Ozigbo gets a legit shot, he could exit camp as the #2 RB.

Agreed.... Ozigbo makes the team... and makes us forget about Ingram II .


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