Losing Ingram was just the dumbest thing we've done as a front office in forever
 

Got to watch a good bit of the Kansas City game.

Just the passion he brings to this game is priceless.

Murray is basically garbage. Terrible signing. Might as well have tried to sign another mini Kamara instead this off season.

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I'm not sure. Sean coached this game as if it was a make or break game and with Drew out he's clearly made AK our feature back, first one in his tenure. Murray will get some work in, and will earn some SP trust, at least I think he will, then we'll see value.

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I agree it was a mistake but from what it sounds like Ingram went off on his own. He probably liked the chance to be a featured back.

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Just cause he had a good game against a ****ty Chiefs defense don't mean he'd be ripping it up here right now.

The Chiefs defense is trash. Just wait till they play teams that can get into shoot outs with them and actually cover their WRs down the field to prevent Mahomes from throwing bombs.

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Jesus that's one God awful take.

Why are you crapping on Ingram? Obviously you're been asleep for the past couple of years when he was such an essential part of this offense, giving us the much needed balance we've craved all these years. Without him, that balance won't exist.

Brees showed that in the opener when he had to throw for 370. That was gonna be more the norm had he not gotten injured.

And that last statement you made makes absolutely no sense. What does that have to do with Ingram?

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I would never buy that.

He wanted to stay here, he and Kamara truly had an unbreakable bond like actual brothers.

We low balled him, he felt slighted and unfortunately he accepted a deal that wasn't much more than we offered.

It's just a tragedy.

But hey the little money we saved we got Jared Cook #FleenerPartDeux.

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We are 3 games in and have essentially given up on using Murray.

In a game in which you're up 20 in the 4th and you don't see the field?

Yikes, that's alarming.

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Chiefs baited them into throwing. It worked. Ingram gashed them but Ingram and co. also lost the game. Ingram won't be dong that again I assure you.

As for Latavious, he has done ok if he gets the rock. He will get more work but we had to get that W. It was critical. I do agree though, we lost a good player for a marginal price difference. Pretty dumb.

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What the Saints are missing is Ingram. He and Kamara were the best duo in the NFL. The perfect compliment for each other and brutal for defenses when both were on the field. Ingram is beasting in Baltimore and Jackson partially because of it. I truly believe it was Ingram's choice to leave.

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If Ingram's new agent wasn't such an idiot, he'd still be in New Orleans.

What's done is done. He's a Raven now.

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As I remember he left for 1 million dollars more with no further negotiation on his agents part ... something more than the million dollars was going on. Miss him and happy for him in BAL but he choose to NOT BE A SAINT.

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Leaving New Orleans was just the dumbest thing Ingram's done in forever.

Ingram left us, we didn't leave him. Money was nearly identical.

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But I want to cry still...

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Payton tried to talk to Ingram personally, before he decided to leave, as is Payton's custom, and Ingram wasn't returning his calls or texts or messages. That tells you something was going on. Ingram followed his agent and that's that. He wasn't going to stay.

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Ingram never really got going last year, the writing was on the wall that he was going to be less involved.

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Everything I heard was that it was Ingram's decision to leave. Payton was upset that he wasn't given enough of a chance to talk to Ingram.

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Holy hot take, Batman.

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I understand that Ingram's agent threw out a ridiculously high figure and we didn't try to renegotiate. We signed Murray and Ingram fired his agent immediately afterwards. You could tell by his body language that he was deflated about going to the Ravens and wanted to be part of this team moving forward. Ingram didn't quit on us. His agent screwed him. I wish him only the very best.

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You might be right.

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What did he get... $500,000? Would anybody leave BlackandGold and return to SaintsReport for $500,000?


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I agree with the initial point.

We have gone back to a similar issue we had before a few years back. If Murray is on the field it's likely a run play. It was like that with Ingram and Ivory a few years back, they're on the field it's run, Sproles is a pass play and only when Pierre Thomas was on the field did they wonder. Its like that now with Murray.

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Ingram is doing well... Good for him.. Murray is fine, just needs to get his touches.

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1. That's not how agents work, they can't/don't operate alone without the consent of the person they are representing,yes they influence the consent but Ingram is no fool. Ingram knew what number was being thrown at the Saint's.

2. In a negotiation if you throw out a ridiculous request, you have already decided which route you are going. The ridiculous request is a passive aggressive "I'll only stay for an offer that I can not refuse"..

3. Ingram sulking and not wanting to leave New Orleans doesn't mean he didn't want to be a featured back and decidedly went somewhere where he could get that.


Not sure why a large percentage of the commenters want to paint someone as evil or greedy... Business is business and some times both parties settle with neither getting what they truly want. The Saints wanted to keep Ingram, Ingram wanted to be a featured back.... those two ideas do not align.

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Good points Oak. I still believe that Ingram's agent talked him into demanding more money and that he did want to stay in New Orleans. Regardless, he fired his agent immediately after so there were some hard feelings. I followed Roll Tide Mark Ingram throughout his time at Alabama and was delighted that we drafted him.

There was a role built for him in New Orleans and he thrived in it. He was huge in the locker room and loved by the fans. It will be difficult for me to believe anything other than his agent screwed him. His body language was that of a broken man when he left.

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I don't think he was loved by the fans at all. He endured ridiculous criticism here while he was a Saint. I remember many of us had to defend him and Payton nearly daily. I remeber one play where he was hit by 3 defenders 2 yards in the backfield right at the handoff and a couple posters here (I won't mention your names) yelled "Dammit Ingram". That BS happened frequently.

I think he's probably more loved in Baltimore now than he was when he was here.

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I wasn’t a fan of Ingram until Kamara showed up...then it’s like a switch was flipped. He really grew on me after that

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This may have come back into play at some point..

2018 season and PED suspension

On May 8, 2018, Ingram was suspended for the first four games of the season due to violating the policy on performance-enhancing drugs.[141] He returned in Week 5 and recorded 53 rushing yards and two rushing touchdowns in the 43–19 victory over the Washington Redskins on Monday Night Football.[142] In Week 10 against the Cincinnati Bengals, he had 104 rushing yards, 58 receiving yards, and a receiving touchdown in the 51–14 victory.[143] In Week 11, against the Philadelphia Eagles, he had 103 rushing yards and two rushing touchdowns.[144] Overall, in the 2018 season, Ingram had 645 rushing yards and six rushing touchdowns to go along with 21 receptions for 170 receiving yards and one receiving touchdown.[145] The Saints won the NFC South and had home-field advantage throughout the NFC Playoffs as the #1-seed.[146] In the Divisional Round against the Philadelphia Eagles, Ingram had 53 rushing yards in the 20–14 victory.[147] In the NFC Championship against the Los Angeles Rams, he had 31 rushing yards in the 26–23 overtime loss.[148]

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You know who would be good to have?

Devine Ozigbo.

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Thanks! I have a much clearer picture now, I didn't realize he jetted his agent after.... (did he? I cant find it anywhere in the news)

This is my take: Mark started to believe his own hype, his agent believed it as well and they both went all in thinking he was irreplaceable. That body language can be seen walking away from every table in Vegas, someone went all in and lost. I will assume he terminated his agent because his agent did what an agent does, hypes you up and goes for big money.

This was Ingram's 3rd contract and he should have known better than to get blind sided.

A little history.. Mark Ingram terminated his agent in 2011 just before the draft. In April of 2018 he replaced his agent again.. Now you say a third time..?

Then there is this... https://www.baltimoreravens.com/vide...hose-baltimore

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Thats is similar to what I heard also. We offered 4mil/yr and His agent threw a ridiculously high number out there...close to 7mil/year. After that we didn’t try to counter and that was that. Apparently the agent was lying about the offers that Ingram had and he was trying to use it as leverage.

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Touché Amigo! :duel:

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This. Ingram made a big mistake.

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LOL I'd want 5M guaranteed + an escape clause + input on which other posters get cut.

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Ingram sure is helping his team today by fumbling the ball leading to the giant momentum shift when Baltimore was down only by 7 points.

Don't know how many times I have to tell y'all this - running backs don't matter when your QB can't play at an above average level. See Barry Sanders, the GOAT RB for many people. How many playoff games did the Lions win with his amazing play? Walter Payton's one ring came in the ONLY season the Bears have an above average ANY/A and decent passing game.

Ingram isn't going to lead his team to any playoff wins cause that is simply not how it works. Speaking of playoffs, what did he do for us in any of his playoff games besides get outplayed by Kamara in the last 4? Ingram was a complete non-factor vs the Vikings and Rams when we needed him the most.

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Right... :D