The concern of Tampa being any good was wholly unfounded
 

Not sure why you got fooled by the famous Jameis whodini act. One second I'm here, next I've disappeared.

It's his entire professional career in a bloody great nutshell.

That head coach is overrated too.

Losing record here we come for Tampa once again.

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It's a week to week league boss.

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Bingo somebody is getting it. Good job.

That's what you should have said after last week when it looked like Tampa was a world beater.

Jameis Winston is a loser, baw.

Always will be.

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Have you considered that the Saints have an awesome defense and are the best team in the NFL and should win the Super Bowl with Brees back?

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All of those things are correct, good sir.

Excellent take.

Does not take away from Jameis Winston being a loser in life and on the football field.

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There's no reason to be concerned with what people thought about Tampa. Saying they suck doesn't really make the Saints look good, after all.

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I just want to say something about Bruce Arians, while I'm in here. I've always thought the man had a pretentious way about him, and he has struck me as a bit of a ***** on many occasions. But after hearing what he said about his player being ejected today, I have to say that he is a total piece of crap.

There are a lot of calls that I think are crap, and I have felt for a long time that football has been wussified. But what that player did was 100% illegal, 100% intentional, it was dirty, it was dangerous and it was ABSOLUTELY the right call and the right decision to eject him.

But after being able to have a clear look at the replay, Arians has the audacity to call it the dumbest call ever, and said that his guy did exactly what they taught him to do. Really? So he's admitting that he teaches his guys to be dirty? That guy is a fool. And I'm trying REALLY hard not to say what I really want to say.

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Tried to tell y'all all summer that Arians isn't that good of a coach and Tampa isn't going anywhere.

Seriously... what did he accomplish in AZ? They had that one 13-3 year where he stupidly played his starters in a meaningless game vs Seattle and they were never the same after that. They went from blowing teams out to struggling in the playoffs and ultimately getting blown out badly. Carson Palmer's best career year ended with him throwing 4 INTs.

The "drop back and throw bombs all day" offense cost Pittsburgh a SB in 2010. His quarterback now is Jeff George 3.0, what could possibly go wrong with asking Winston to drop back and throw bombs to defensive backs? LOL

As for the 2012 Colts that went 11-5 with him, seriously pull up their schedule and look at their point differential. They were one of the worst teams in NFL history to go 11-5 with a negative point differential. They beat up on their crappy division opponents and then got blown out against real teams.

Arians is just an OK coach. he's never been as good as people give him credit for.

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I just went off on how much I don't like the guy, but now I'm going to sort of defend him, as a coach. As much as I don't like him, he isn't bad at coaching football.

It doesn't matter how crappy the Colts' 2012 schedule was. That team went 2-14 the year before. To pretend that was no big deal is intellectually dishonest, my friend. And he took over another dumpster fire in Arizona, with an old, not very good Carson Palmer at QB, and won 10, 11 and 13 games in his first 3 years there. After that, the roster kind of fell apart.

He's not the genius he wants to believe he is, but he's done enough to prove he can coach. He's just also a huge jerk.

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The Colts were 2-14 cause they tanked 2011 in the "Suck 4 Luck" campaign. That's just my opinion.

That team was 14-2 in the SB, and then 10-6 the year before it all went down hill. They may have overachieved a bit, but that was not a dumpster fire team. I have always strongly believed they tanked due to how their whole plan for the year without Manning was to get Kerry Collins and then throw Curtis Painter out there. That was a set up from the beginning to tank IMO and then after it was done, Irsay said it himself in the press conference when they let go of Manning - "I want Super Bowls, not Star Wars numbers".

I used to talk football a lot with Colts fans and some of them would argue against the tanking narrative and they had some good arguments. These fans would point to how badly Bill Polian had drafted in the final 5 years and they would argue that Manning was really the glue holding them together. Most of their wins in 2009 when they started 14-0 were close and that's why Manning's 4QC stat was high and possibly why he got the MVP that year over Brees and Favre. There is evidence that Polian's drafts in those final years were poor when it came to defensive players (Bob Sanders was his last great defensive draft pick and he stayed injured all the time). I think there is truth on both sides; I think they overachieved in 2009 thanks to having a HoF QB and a stacked offense, but I also believe they tanked when Manning had to sit out with his neck injury.

The Colts from 2012 to 2015 were benefiting from a horrible AFC South, not unlike how they had benefited all through Manning's prime beating up on trash Jacksonville, Houston and Tennessee teams. The same thing that everyone accuses the Patriots of doing; only difference is New England makes it to the SB and don't get embarrassed in the playoffs. The AFC South was so bad that they were able to tank one year, then go 11-5 the next year easily. Even when Houston won the division a couple times, no one feared them.

Their 3 consecutive 11-5 seasons, they went either 5-1 or 6-0 vs the AFC South and then 5-5 the rest of the way through. If that was the Patriots, people would never stop talking about it. But for some reason, it's completely ignored when the Colts or Packers benefit from their crap divisions and barely go 11-5 or 10-6 thanks to the 5-1 or 6-0 record vs their divisional foes.

Arizona went 13-3 in 2015 and because Arians decided to stupidly play his starters in the final week against Seattle, they lost their mojo. They struggled against a crappy GB team they had blown out a few weeks prior, then they got throttled in Carolina. That's on Arians for being a big macho man not wanting to rest his starters and allowing them to get exposed in a meaningless game vs the Seahawks.

Arians isn't well liked by Steelers fans either. Some of them blame him for the 2010 SB loss cause they were facing a legit Packers secondary that was great that year; he comes out with his bomb throwing offense and they ended up in a 21-3 hole early. GB was weak against the run that year and Pittsburgh waited until the second half to really utilize their RBs in that game.

He's a good coach at times but massively overrated.

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Lattimore just sent their best receiver to Area 51 :)

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Just really glad Winston is a Buc.

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Great discussion.

Tampa is mediocre. That's the bottom line.

Saints are one of 3 teams vying for best in football.

Then there is a considerable gap after that.

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Its hard to throw with 3 D-linemen plastering your ass all game.

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I appreciate your effort in going out of your way to tie a bunch of miscellaneous information together to say that Arians is overrated. Your original statement was that he wasn't all that good of a coach and that the Bucs weren't going anywhere.

The fact that he made some tactical errors in certain games, or situations, is something that can be said about just about ANY coach. Your take that the Colts tanked in 2011 is strictly conspiratorial. If you look at that roster, it was mostly crap, and many of the recognizable names were over the hill veterans. And, again, it doesn't matter how bad the division was, they still improved by nine games. They went 2-14 in the very same crappy division. You're relying on a conspiracy theory to prove your opinion.

With the Cardinals, he took a bad team with a QB who hadn't played well in years. The success that Palmer had with that team can only be attributed to coaching. There was nothing special about Palmer, himself.

So you can call him overrated all you want to, but when you try to paint it like he's done nothing, I gotta call you out on it. And I can't stand the guy. I just happen to also dislike when people over state an opinion, based on seemingly nothing but a need to prove some point you tried to make weeks ago.

The Saints also once beat a Bill Belichick coached team, 38-17. Is he a bad coach? I'm not saying Arians is anywhere near his level, but do you see the point? You're making a lot of assumptions on what the Bucs will do, based on a very small sample size.

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Correct but great QBs make adjustments and find a way.

Winston is not one of those QBs. Not even close. His IQ is pretty damn low as well. No chance today.

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Coach Arians isn't worried he just signed on with KFC..

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Yes...yes I have. Why?

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We still have to beat them in Tampa, let's not heap up all this bad karma so soon.

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The Bucs were in the game pretty much the entire time. They have a talented team. Winston is on pace for a career year. Always keep your head on a swivel.

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Yeah that kind of thinking is for the meek minded.

Come on, you're better than that.

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Too early to judge Tampa
They are on menopause
Saints came with fire

There was a play where Winston was sacked and he slammed down a Saint's player using his hand and weight as he was standing up.

No class

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Dude is a piece of crap and has a lack of intelligence that doesn't allow him to be a good QB, much less a great one.

I'd like to be a fly on the wall during their QB meetings. Must be entertaining.

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This. I think the Bucs are legit, we are just better. I don’t think this is an example of the same old Bucs. Wouldn’t surprise me if they make a run at a wild card.

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As sure as the sun rises, a classless turd will act like a classless piece of crap.

Bush League. That's their leader on the field? Good luck with that.

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They play at home vs Carolina this coming week.

If they lose, you people will have to admit that team is done at 2-4 and going nowhere fast, 2 games behind Carolina hopefully 3 games behind the Saints, as well as having lost to both of them.

They have a low character buffoon as their QB. You can't survive that.

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Eh, I don't agree that Winston "disappeared". We shredded their offensive line and Winston didn't have time to get comfortable. He was pretty much running for his life all day today.

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Nothing in this league is wholly unfounded..
Well, except for the Dallas Cowgirls being Americas team BS... I am about as American as it gets and they are abut as 'not my team' as it gets.

Good enough happens every week to unsuspecting teams. Just go and ask the Chiefs.

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I completely agree with this.

Jameis had a net of 85 passing yard & has weapons at WR & TE. He's not a bad QB (had a 103 or greater QB rating last 3 weeks) it's just the Saints are a GOOD TEAM DEFENSIVELY.

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Well....if you are going to split hairs! :) :)

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We would have beat the rams yesterday period. Teddy was throw in a snake pit in that game , he was overwhelmed not counting the whole unit in shock when Brees went down.


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That was Jordon. He just popped up and folded his arms to make it obvious to everyone that he wasn’t going to retaliate. Shows tremendous discipline and how determined this team is to stay focused.