Refs

K Major · 10-07-2019, 08:16 AM

I'm still wondering what happened on that phantom flag when Eli Apple had PERFECT coverage on the WR ... 3rd and long.

Refs never gave a jersey number on that one.

The Dude · 10-07-2019, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'm still wondering what happened on that phantom flag when Eli Apple had PERFECT coverage on the WR ... 3rd and long.

Refs never gave a jersey number on that one.

If it’s the same play I’m thinking of that flag came in on a hold by another player, not Eli. I was pissed at first too until they clarified who the flag was on.
I totally agree with the helmet to helmet disqualification. There should be a disqualification every time but they NEVER actually do it.

AsylumGuido · 10-07-2019, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

If it’s the same play I’m thinking of that flag came in on a hold by another player, not Eli. I was pissed at first too until they clarified who the flag was on.
I totally agree with the helmet to helmet disqualification. There should be a disqualification every time but they NEVER actually do it.

Perhaps they didn't involve launching and using the crown of the helmet. That is a more egregious subset of the helmet to helmet hits.

POINTS OF EMPHASIS 2019

USE OF HELMET

The Officiating Department will continue to emphasize the Use of Helmet rule adopted in 2018.

The officiating standards for the Use of Helmet rule are:

Lowering the head (not to include bracing for contact)

Initiating contact with the helmet to any part of an opponent. Contact does not have to be to an opponent’s head or neck area — lowering the head and initiating contact to an opponent’s torso, hips, and lower body, is also a foul.

Making contact on an opponent (both offense and defense)

Players can be ejected for Use of Helmet fouls — and all ejections will be reviewed by senior officials in Art McNally GameDay Central in New York.

The standards for ejection are, if:

The player lowers his helmet to establish a linear body posture prior to initiating and making contact with the helmet; <--- (crown of helmet)

The player delivering the blow had an unobstructed path to his opponent;

The contact was clearly avoidable

jeanpierre · 10-07-2019, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

The non-fumble recovery was a dubious call. And they could have called that PI on Thomas on the challenge and I wouldn't have argued much. It was unusual seeing the opponent get the bummer calls, but either way we still had enough to beat the Bucs today IMO.

Originally Posted by Crusader

The helmet to helmet was a no brainer, I don't understand why they didn't eject him straight away. It is exactly that type of play they wanna get away from, launching into a offensive player and hitting him in the head with the crown of the helmet.

Originally Posted by K Major

I'm still wondering what happened on that phantom flag when Eli Apple had PERFECT coverage on the WR ... 3rd and long.

Refs never gave a jersey number on that one.

All three of these posts encapsulates the officiating yesterday...

The only other thing I had a problem with was our interior defensive linemen were both chop-blocked, tackled even, and there was little to no holding called...

Not sure the Bucs rallied in the third quarter if even one flag was thrown for holding...

Pete · 10-07-2019, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'm still wondering what happened on that phantom flag when Eli Apple had PERFECT coverage on the WR ... 3rd and long.

Refs never gave a jersey number on that one.

Watched the game again and the commentators said they thought it was on #23

10-07-2019, 08:16 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,854 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Refs I'm still wondering what happened on that phantom flag when Eli Apple had PERFECT coverage on the WR ... 3rd and long. Refs never gave a jersey number on that one. SmashMouth, jeanpierre, Beastmode and 1 others like this.

10-07-2019, 09:11 AM	#2
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,066	Re: Refs Originally Posted by K Major I'm still wondering what happened on that phantom flag when Eli Apple had PERFECT coverage on the WR ... 3rd and long. Refs never gave a jersey number on that one. If it’s the same play I’m thinking of that flag came in on a hold by another player, not Eli. I was pissed at first too until they clarified who the flag was on. I totally agree with the helmet to helmet disqualification. There should be a disqualification every time but they NEVER actually do it.
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10-07-2019, 09:21 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,806	Re: Refs Originally Posted by The Dude If it’s the same play I’m thinking of that flag came in on a hold by another player, not Eli. I was pissed at first too until they clarified who the flag was on. I totally agree with the helmet to helmet disqualification. There should be a disqualification every time but they NEVER actually do it. Perhaps they didn't involve launching and using the crown of the helmet. That is a more egregious subset of the helmet to helmet hits. POINTS OF EMPHASIS 2019 USE OF HELMET The Officiating Department will continue to emphasize the Use of Helmet rule adopted in 2018. The officiating standards for the Use of Helmet rule are: Lowering the head (not to include bracing for contact) Initiating contact with the helmet to any part of an opponent. Contact does not have to be to an opponent’s head or neck area — lowering the head and initiating contact to an opponent’s torso, hips, and lower body, is also a foul. Making contact on an opponent (both offense and defense) Players can be ejected for Use of Helmet fouls — and all ejections will be reviewed by senior officials in Art McNally GameDay Central in New York. The standards for ejection are, if: The player lowers his helmet to establish a linear body posture prior to initiating and making contact with the helmet; <--- (crown of helmet) The player delivering the blow had an unobstructed path to his opponent; The contact was clearly avoidable
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10-07-2019, 09:27 AM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Refs Originally Posted by neugey The non-fumble recovery was a dubious call. And they could have called that PI on Thomas on the challenge and I wouldn't have argued much. It was unusual seeing the opponent get the bummer calls, but either way we still had enough to beat the Bucs today IMO. Originally Posted by Crusader The helmet to helmet was a no brainer, I don't understand why they didn't eject him straight away. It is exactly that type of play they wanna get away from, launching into a offensive player and hitting him in the head with the crown of the helmet. Originally Posted by K Major I'm still wondering what happened on that phantom flag when Eli Apple had PERFECT coverage on the WR ... 3rd and long. Refs never gave a jersey number on that one. All three of these posts encapsulates the officiating yesterday... The only other thing I had a problem with was our interior defensive linemen were both chop-blocked, tackled even, and there was little to no holding called... Not sure the Bucs rallied in the third quarter if even one flag was thrown for holding... SmashMouth likes this.

10-07-2019, 09:39 AM	#5
Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,757	Re: Refs Originally Posted by K Major I'm still wondering what happened on that phantom flag when Eli Apple had PERFECT coverage on the WR ... 3rd and long. Refs never gave a jersey number on that one. Watched the game again and the commentators said they thought it was on #23