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Saints4Life 07-27-2005 09:13 AM

Saints may hit stride this season....
 
I don't know if this was already posted but this article seemed to be a very positive one.....

Saints may hit stride this season
Wednesday, July 27, 2005
Peter Finney

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For the NFL, the march to Super Bowl XL has begun.

For Saints fans who've been there from beginning, it's a march into Year XXXVIII.

For Jim Haslett, Coach of the Year as a rookie in 2000, it's a march into Season VI.

And, for Tom Benson, the owner, it's a march to . . . well, your guess is as good as mine.

You might recall that the most biting broadside leveled at the 2004 Saints did not come from any member of the media.

It came from Mr. Tom himself as he stepped from an elevator in the Superdome last November to render an assessment of the football team that had lost 34-13 to the Denver Broncos.

"They looked like high school kids," said Mr. Tom, in no mood to boogie.

The Saints would go on to prove they were better than that, winning their final four games to finish 8-8 but missing the playoffs for the fourth year in a row.

And now?

Now, we're moving across a bridge over troubled waters, with no idea what suspended negotiations between the owner and the governor might produce as far as the Saints future is concerned, wondering how a good year, or another bad one, might affect the future.

Concentrating on the football team, we know this: The 2005 Saints, now marching under the banner of "You Gotta Have Faith," are good enough to have a winning season and make the playoffs.

Why do I say this? Because I'm looking at the schedule, and other than a November road game against the defending champion New England Patriots, the point can be made that Haslett's team will not be in over its head.

What about road games against the Vikings, Packers, Jets and Rams? Sure, the Saints could lose all four, but none of the four is a stem-winder. Put it this way: It's not like visiting the Colts, Steelers, Broncos and Eagles.

This year, with out-of-division foes like the Giants, Bills, Dolphins, Bears and Lions coming into the Superdome, the Saints have the schedule to cash in at home.

Yes, but what about the NFC South?

Why do the pundits pick the Saints to finish no higher than third, behind the Falcons and Panthers, in their division?

Because they've played like a classic roller-coaster team, at home as well as on the road. It doesn't mean Carolina and Atlanta are that much better. It means, over a season, they've been better coached, gotten more out of their personnel.

Look at recent history inside the Saints' division. Three years ago, when Tampa Bay won the Super Bowl, the Saints beat the Bucs home and away. Two years ago, when Carolina lost the Super Bowl, the Saints lost one to the Panthers in overtime, lost another by six points.

A year ago, when the Falcons came within a victory of the Super Bowl, the Saints faced Michael Vick only once, but in that meeting, the worst defense in the league held the most feared runner in the league to one touchdown and 69 yards in a 24-21 loss. With 12 minutes left, the Saints led by four but could not make the plays at crunch time.

Proving?

When it comes to the Saints, and the NFC South, it's not a question of a talent gap. It's a question of discipline, making plays under fire, with the game on the line.

This cuts both ways, offense as well as defense.

Consider: Last season, in the first quarter of their first 12 games, the Saints were outscored 97-10.

And now?

And now, aside from the schedule, an 8-8 team has its key people back on offense. It has Aaron Brooks, Deuce McAllister and Joe Horn, with a line featuring a No. 1 pick and a key free agent at the tackles, which should mean more daylight for Deuce.

Will it?

Defensively, if you believe the coaches, it's like a bunch of sophomores and juniors becoming seniors, ready to prove that what you saw at the end of the season -- four victories, three on the road -- is what you'll see beginning with Game 1.

That will be Sept. 11, at Carolina, Aaron Brooks vs. Jake Delhomme. We'll see if someone, maybe two Saints, will be able to keep Julius Peppers from tackling Deuce before he gets the ball.

We'll see if Haslett's defense will be able to do a job on Jake Delhomme, who threw for 17 TDs with four picks in his last eight games but failed in a closing effort against the Saints.

In preseason, it's all talk the talk.

Beginning Sept. 11, it becomes a question of walking the walk.

The 2005 Saints have the talent, and the schedule, to walk into the postseason.

We'll leave it at that.

LordOfEntropy 07-27-2005 09:53 AM

RE: Saints may hit stride this season....
 
The thing is though, every team is thinking they just might hit stride, this time of the season. Preseason always brings expectations up.

For us, I see a possibility, but a slim one, no more than that. I predict we'll finish second or third in the division this year.

What is Vegas putting us at? They're usually not wrong....

4saintspirit 07-27-2005 09:58 AM

I have to agree with Lord. It gets very hard to keep getting excited -- I see areas where we may improve but to be honest I find it hard to believe we will magically become consistent or eliminate the stupid penalties and mistakes. But -- I have to say I am getting very excited about the season --- I am tired of baseball

papz 07-27-2005 10:24 AM

It's all about selling season tickets around this time.

Euphoria 07-27-2005 10:32 AM

hey we waited 38 years... whats another 38 lol.

Euphoria 07-27-2005 11:21 AM

I seriously can't see the Panthers or Falcon's winning the division this year.

papz 07-27-2005 11:25 AM

I see the Panthers winning the Superbowl.

saintswhodi 07-27-2005 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria
I seriously can't see the Panthers or Falcon's winning the division this year.

It must be the Falcons going to the NFC champ game or the Panthers to the Superbowl two years ago throwing you off huh? Couple that with our recent run at mediocrity and the Bucs fall into disarray, I could see how this divison would appear wide open. :?

Euphoria 07-27-2005 12:01 PM

Panthers over the Colts... I don't think so. You also have to look at the schedule... I guess it'll change a lot of peoples reality whenthey are 0-4 to start the season.

I don't think the Falcons or Panthers are the same teams... every year is different. I feel they had a little luck riding on there side those years. I think its going to be a team people or under-estimating this year that rises to the NFC game.

saintswhodi 07-27-2005 12:17 PM

But you said you couldn't see them winning the division even. Did you mean the conference?

Danno 07-27-2005 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
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Originally Posted by Euphoria
I seriously can't see the Panthers or Falcon's winning the division this year.



It must be the Falcons going to the NFC champ game or the Panthers to the Superbowl two years ago throwing you off huh? Couple that with our recent run at mediocrity and the Bucs fall into disarray, I could see how this divison would appear wide open. :?

I see those "how to be a smart-ass/ass-hole-jerk" lessons are really paying off for you whodi. You must be really proud.

papz 07-27-2005 12:39 PM

Of course the Panthers aren't the same team... they're going to have Kris Jenkins, DeShaun Foster, Stephen Davis, and Steve Smith back healthy. They also will have Ken Lucas, Freddie Jones, and Thomas David this year. They are only going to be 2 or 3 times better than they were last year.

The same can be said about the Falcons. They are only going to have DeAngelo Hall and Jason Webster together for a full season... did I mention they signed Ed Hartwell to? I forgot they have this Vick guy on their team and one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL.

Although the Saints are my favorite team and who I root for the most, I'm not going to give them any credit for they have not proven anything on that field the past 3 or 4 years besides being mediocre. I'll give credit where credit is due... and we haven't earned squat yet.

saintswhodi 07-27-2005 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno
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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
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Originally Posted by Euphoria
I seriously can't see the Panthers or Falcon's winning the division this year.



It must be the Falcons going to the NFC champ game or the Panthers to the Superbowl two years ago throwing you off huh? Couple that with our recent run at mediocrity and the Bucs fall into disarray, I could see how this divison would appear wide open. :?

I see those "how to be a smart-ass/ass-hole-jerk" lessons are really paying off for you whodi. You must be really proud.

Hey, they cost about the same as your "how to be a dumb ass in 3 easy steps lessons," so why not? :wink:

Euphoria 07-27-2005 01:06 PM

Nah... just the division. I think its going to be Falcons or Saints to win this division as longas Vick stays healthy... I think the Panthers are going to start slow and finish good but a little to late.

JOESAM2002 07-27-2005 01:09 PM

Oh gosh! Aren't we just one loving family? Come on guys, is this really needed?

4saintspirit 07-27-2005 02:03 PM

Remember who the Falcons play the first 3 games -- its a touigh first 5 games for them --- Philly, Seatlle, Buff and a new and improved Vikings. Then the Pats. Best possible scenario for them is 3-2, more likely 2-3, possible 1-4. Then they have to play within their division. Sorry -- I just don't think Atlants is going to survice the early going. Now look at the Panthers -- After the PAts they play Miami, Green Bay, Arizona, Detroit. Not bad out of the gates for them.

saintswhodi 07-27-2005 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria
Nah... just the division. I think its going to be Falcons or Saints to win this division as longas Vick stays healthy... I think the Panthers are going to start slow and finish good but a little to late.

Okay, but you just said you really can't see the Falcons winning the division. So that leaves us pretty much cause I know you can't see the Bucs winning the division. Now don't get me wrong, I am all for us winning the division. But to discount the Falcons and Panthers is a big mistake IMO.

Euphoria 07-27-2005 05:02 PM

In that case you can't discount the Bucs either... I mean they are men, they are paid professionals, and they have just as much chance as anyone else.

yasoon 07-27-2005 05:04 PM

History says the Falcons will fail. They've never had 2 straight winning seasons. Vick will get hurt or have an outbreak and they will go belly up.

I'm not saying they don't have a good team....but I think the division will go to us or the Panthers. Just my 2 cents.

LordOfEntropy 07-27-2005 05:27 PM

Good point. It's amazing, isn't it? The Falcons have what, is it 38 or 39 years of fanchise history? And they've -never- had back to back winning season? That's one powerful curse.

ATL is out.

So that leaves Carolina winning the division, in my humble opinion. It might take another broken Vick leg to do it, but something is going to happen to them.

saintswhodi 07-27-2005 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria
In that case you can't discount the Bucs either... I mean they are men, they are paid professionals, and they have just as much chance as anyone else.

No, no, I think we can pretty much count the Bucs out. :lol: In a way, it kinda doesn't look good for us winning the division since the Bucs won all of 5 games last year, and still split the season series with us. What kinda crap is that. As a matter of fact, we gave them their first win last year, and now they have a running game. I think the Panthers will win the division, but should we win that first game of the year, I will definitely revisit this view.

papz 07-27-2005 07:35 PM

I guess all the offseason hype is working for some people. Power to you all because I'm sick of "offseason" hype. Judging from what we've done in the past, we rank third in the division until we prove otherwise. I'm not saying we don't have a chance of winning the division, but instead of believing all this offseason mumbo jumbo... I rather them finally prove they are better than an 8-8 mediocre NFL franchise.

saintswhodi 07-27-2005 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by papz
I guess all the offseason hype is working for some people. Power to you all because I'm sick of "offseason" hype. Judging from what we've done in the past, we rank third in the division until we prove otherwise. I'm not saying we don't have a chance of winning the division, but instead of believing all this offseason mumbo jumbo... I rather them finally prove they are better than an 8-8 mediocre NFL franchise.

Amen brotha.

papz 07-28-2005 12:12 AM

Yea I agree with you BlackonBlack. I've been feeling really depressed lately because of the Saints. I think I should really seek professional help because I really can't stand seeing a football team not perform up to their potential. Screw my house, family, girlfriend, career, etc... Saints football is my life... and since I can't deal with the pressure of them under performing, I should just jump off a bridge. :roll:

Hey buddy if you think finishing 7-9, 9-7, 8-8, and 8-8 in the last four seasons deserves hype... go ahead. Whatever floats your boat when you get out the bed in the morning. If you think an 8-8 season along with the last ranked defense in the NFL is improving... LOL I won't even argue with you. If I'm not mistaken, even our offense regressed last year. So how the in world do you come up with us being improved? Where? How?

I'm tired of your blabbering without anything to back it up. Every thread you are all talk just like TO being one of the lowest paid receivers out there. If I'm not mistaken, I was not "updated." But from my recollection, someone kept quiet when they got embarrassed. Throw out numbers... frick ANYTHING that proves your point before you continue to make a fool of yourself.

Why do you keep dodging the question I've asked you tons of time... how old are you really? Come on... you can tell me. I'll understand.

LOL I just thought of something sw... doesn't he remind you of Billy aka Gumbo? :lol:

saintswhodi 07-28-2005 09:05 AM

I'm not touching that one papzy. Uh-uh. 8)

LordOfEntropy 07-28-2005 04:54 PM

Me neither.

WhoDat 07-29-2005 08:38 AM

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It means, over a season, they've been better coached, gotten more out of their personnel.
Nuff said.

Frankly, we're up in the rotation. Tampa, Car, Atl... now us. I think the Saints may be able to do it this year. I think TB will be mediocre as their D declines. I think ATL will fade back quickly to middle of the pack - but they are still dangerous with Vick, and they are a curse to the Saints. Carolina is the team we'll be fighting in the division, once again. (IMO)

AllSaints 07-29-2005 09:52 PM

I dont no if we can win this division... we still haven't even beat vick when he is starting with the falcons.


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