Barry Hirstius: Should Saints Break the Bank to Pay Teddy B?
 

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No.

Re: Barry Hirstius: Should Saints Break the Bank to Pay Teddy B?
 

Not something we need to worry about now.

Re: Barry Hirstius: Should Saints Break the Bank to Pay Teddy B?
 

You silver tongued devil. I could not have said it more succinctly.:cool:

Re: Barry Hirstius: Should Saints Break the Bank to Pay Teddy B?
 

Love 2 glove Teddy, grateful for everything he's done but he needs to go get paid elsewhere. Terrific team mate though.

Saints will possibly explore a QB HIGH in the 2020 draft.

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Before the Saints can make any type of decision regarding Teddy, they must understand the intentions of Drew. If Drew says 2020 is his targeted last year, then you try and sign Teddy to a 5 year deal and have him backup Drew one more season. If Drew says he is playing indefinitely, then you thank Teddy for his service and wish him the best with his new team.

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No
Can't thank the man enough for what he did keeping the season alive but that winning record is on the Defensive line/ Cam Jordan led defense more than anything else.

Can't see how you can pay Teddy 25ml,Thomas 20ml and re sign Kamara, Lattimore, Rankins, Bell, Ramczyk, Onyamata and keep a competitive roster

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While I agree on the premise of not signing Teddy to a big time contract, I don't think it's about being able to pay him and others.

We will have to pay a QB 25-35m per year, unless we grab a rookie, or perhaps run with Taysom and kick the tiers. We are going to be faced with a challenge to pay all of the talent we have. I would be more concerned about paying the defense and O-line... payton can scheme the skill positions.

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I could be wrong but I don’t think Teddy B is going to get 25M/year but if that is what he is being offered then he should take it.

I agree that we will need that money to pay other players who’s contracts are coming up but if you do choose Taysom Hill as your QB you better have a top tier backup cause his style of play is reckless.

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I really don't think signing our players will be quite as difficult as some feel. The available cap is about to go through the roof with the gambling industry becoming involved and the global growth of the game. These new sources of revenue are yet to be fully recognized in the finances of the league. In addition, the new CBA will most likely include an increase in the players portion of the shared revenues. The players are currently mandated to receive 48.5% of those dollars. That could go up to as high as 50% as a counter to a 17th regular season game which is wanted by the owners. Coincidentally, the extra game will also increase revenues, thus increasing the available cap even more.

The 2019 cap is $188.2 million. It should easily top $200 million in 2020 and should be close to $250 million by 2023 ... if not higher!

That all said, I really do not see re-signing Teddy, as I expect Brees to be the Saints starter for at least three more years.

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No. I think Payton kept him on a tight leash and played him safe and he did a great job with that. I’m just not convinced he can deliver if he had an open play book and the game was squarely on his shoulders. No matter how good a team as a whole is eventually a game will come down to the QB getting them out of a tough spot. I just haven’t seen that intensity from him yet.

Re: Barry Hirstius: Should Saints Break the Bank to Pay Teddy B?
 

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Teddy's is the only dead cap we HAVE to take on and it's only $4M. Brees and Klein ($1M dead cap and if we decide to keep him) can both be restructured as part of an extension. All of the others can be signed to deals with low base first year or two with signing bonuses and roster bonuses (something Loomis loves using) in place which pushes the burden out to when the cap limit skyrockets post 2020 CBA renewal.

As for replacing Peat, who's to say we don't find another McCoy type success to plug in at LG?

It is nowhere near as bleak as a quick glance at raw numbers may appear. Loomis has been one of the few visionaries that has always factored in future cap growth into his deals.

Re: Barry Hirstius: Should Saints Break the Bank to Pay Teddy B?
 

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But, as I stated, those numbers are nothing more than a snapshot, a single frame in a moving picture show. Any goodbye's, beyond Bridgewater, will have more to do with fit on the roster rather than the ability, or inability, to fit that player within the cap limitations. I know you understand the flexibility of the cap numbers, but many people look at that and think those numbers are set in stone. They do not understand that quite a bit of manipulation will occur between now and end of next preseason.

Oh, and when was the last time we got a compensatory pick? :D

Oh, and I am a fan of spotrac.com for my cap tracking needs.

Re: Barry Hirstius: Should Saints Break the Bank to Pay Teddy B?
 

I get your intent but it doesn’t work that way in reality and you should never let an employee who’s job isn’t to make organizational decisions decide the path for your organization.

That’s a bad practice for a few reasons:
- It’s bad form to hang one mans future off another mans “intention”. Teddy doesn’t deserve to have Drew decide his future and Drew doesn’t deserve to have that weight put on him.

- If anyone could reliably understand another persons intentions, there would be no divorces, no parolees going back to prison. Think the Colt’s knew they understood Luck’s intentions?

Teddy is not the Saints future QB, the Dolphins offered him at most 12.5MM and I suspect if any team would think Teddy their future they would have stolen him at 15/Year. If anyone im the Saints organization thought Teddy was the future they would have tied him up for 5 years at a cheap price and left him backup until he started.

QB will be a yearly contract until Drew retires, the organization trades him, or someone offers him a deal he can’t refuse.


Oh and to the original question... No

Re: Barry Hirstius: Should Saints Break the Bank to Pay Teddy B?
 

I think everyone is overlooking that this is also Taysom's last year on his current contract. He'll want to get paid too.

Re: Barry Hirstius: Should Saints Break the Bank to Pay Teddy B?
 

He has done nothing to warrant any more than backup QB money and he loses his true value if is in fact a backup QB.

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He doesn’t have another year?

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He'll be an RFA so we can put that tag on him.

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Good. I think it would be a mistake not to keep him for another year.

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We should have traded Teddy. He's not the QB of the future for us and we shouldn't pay him a ton next year, therefore we should have gotten some value for him this year. Perhaps we feel some obligation to keep him on the team this season considering what he provided to us...I see no other reason not to trade him.

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Respectfully disagree... If SP had let him, instead of Check Down Teddy, play, You'd be singing a very different tune. He did break Steve Young's records at BYU.

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Teddy plays smart. I think that's what Sean likes about him. Hill, well, we don't know. But I have an idea that Hill plays more from the hip, so to speak. I'd LOVE to see him get a shot, but I think Sean felt like Teddy is the "smarter" QB at this point.

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I think that’s the main reason they went with TB from the get go. Taysom at this stage would be a high risk high reward type guy. I could see him making a lot of huge plays but I could also see a lot of turnovers. Teddy was safe.

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I like Hill. I'd like to see him get the gig. But I'm willing to bet we don't go 5-0 with Hill playing QB. Honestly, I'd rather see us invest in Teddy than another WR at this point, and I know the two aren't equal from a GM perspective, but Teddy is a cerebral QB. That'll win you more games than it'll lose you games.

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I agree about Taysom and agree that Teddy is smart and can win games. He’s proven as much. I do question if he is the guy you want in there when your down two scores with under 10 min to play. I really want to see him when Payton just lets him play. Not saying he’s not the guy, he’s better than many QBs who are starting for other teams.

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I'm good with keeping him, but the price has to be reasonable. He is the highest paid back up in the league now. A valuable asset for sure, but not worth starter money.

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I don’t think anyone would offer him anything close to starter money. As he sits he’s a third string Qb. I don’t see him going from that to starter money without any work in the regular season. I’d be ok paying him more just for his versatility but that’s it

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We've got other worries right now.

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Are we talking Taysom or Teddy? My post related to Teddy.

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