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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by 44Champs Meh the rivalry between the fans is greater than the one between the teams. We're gonna kill em. XLIV CHAMPS I used to believe this but I think in the past decade, we've really witnessed the ...

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Old 11-06-2019, 08:10 PM   #1
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Re: "sad thing is they are going in dry on us sunday"

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Meh the rivalry between the fans is greater than the one between the teams. We're gonna kill em.

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I used to believe this but I think in the past decade, we've really witnessed the height of the Saints/Falcons rivalry.

The previous height was 1991, the only time back in the day that both teams made the playoffs and that 1991 playoff loss is still for me, the most heartbreaking of all playoff losses. I will never forget back then. I was so young and when Michael Haynes made that long TD run, I felt like my heart was going to burst out of my chest.

I don't even think the Falcons were the most hated of our rivals back in the 80's and 90's, it was the 49ers. Those of us who grew up back then hated them with a burning passion with most of us older fans still hating them. Older Falcons fans talk about the 49ers in the same way we do. They were just like us; always having to deal with that Goliath in their path any time their team had a winning season. The 1998 Falcons really caught a huge break by having their winning season in a year where the Niners dynasty was finally in it's twilight and burning out. We didn't get that lucky in the early 90s since the Niners were able to pick up where they left off after installing Steve Young as the starting QB. It didn't matter that we were 12-4 in 1992, we couldn't even win the division cause the Niners had to go 14-2 that year. Every year we made the playoffs back then except 1991, the Niners were the Goliath that moved ahead of us. I remember when an entire season would hinge on being able to compete with the Niners due to the division. That's pretty much how it went for Atlanta and all the NFC West teams back then too; if you couldn't compete with the Niners and win games, then no playoffs for you.


Most of the time, when the Saints or Falcons are in playoff contention, the other won't be. That changed in the 2000s. Though we didn't make the playoffs after 2000, they did in the Mike Vick years and those matches with them were vital and some of them were tough losses cause we could've made the playoffs had we got past them. This started to really pick up steam after 2009 when both the Saints and Falcons were making the playoffs together and more pressure was put on the divisional games.

We've had some seriously heated games since then. During the summer I made a post about how I wanted to add up some stats between the Falcons/Saints games between Brees and Ryan and see how it adds up with other QB rivalries from back in the day like Jim Kelly vs Dan Marino, and Peyton Manning vs Tom Brady. We've had so many shoot out games with the Falcons and both Brees and Ryan have posted career highs in some of them. I truly think that's good evidence of how strong the rivalry turned in the past decade.
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Old 11-06-2019, 10:13 PM   #2
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Re: "sad thing is they are going in dry on us sunday"

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I used to believe this but I think in the past decade, we've really witnessed the height of the Saints/Falcons rivalry.

The previous height was 1991, the only time back in the day that both teams made the playoffs and that 1991 playoff loss is still for me, the most heartbreaking of all playoff losses. I will never forget back then. I was so young and when Michael Haynes made that long TD run, I felt like my heart was going to burst out of my chest.

I don't even think the Falcons were the most hated of our rivals back in the 80's and 90's, it was the 49ers. Those of us who grew up back then hated them with a burning passion with most of us older fans still hating them. Older Falcons fans talk about the 49ers in the same way we do. They were just like us; always having to deal with that Goliath in their path any time their team had a winning season. The 1998 Falcons really caught a huge break by having their winning season in a year where the Niners dynasty was finally in it's twilight and burning out. We didn't get that lucky in the early 90s since the Niners were able to pick up where they left off after installing Steve Young as the starting QB. It didn't matter that we were 12-4 in 1992, we couldn't even win the division cause the Niners had to go 14-2 that year. Every year we made the playoffs back then except 1991, the Niners were the Goliath that moved ahead of us. I remember when an entire season would hinge on being able to compete with the Niners due to the division. That's pretty much how it went for Atlanta and all the NFC West teams back then too; if you couldn't compete with the Niners and win games, then no playoffs for you.


Most of the time, when the Saints or Falcons are in playoff contention, the other won't be. That changed in the 2000s. Though we didn't make the playoffs after 2000, they did in the Mike Vick years and those matches with them were vital and some of them were tough losses cause we could've made the playoffs had we got past them. This started to really pick up steam after 2009 when both the Saints and Falcons were making the playoffs together and more pressure was put on the divisional games.

We've had some seriously heated games since then. During the summer I made a post about how I wanted to add up some stats between the Falcons/Saints games between Brees and Ryan and see how it adds up with other QB rivalries from back in the day like Jim Kelly vs Dan Marino, and Peyton Manning vs Tom Brady. We've had so many shoot out games with the Falcons and both Brees and Ryan have posted career highs in some of them. I truly think that's good evidence of how strong the rivalry turned in the past decade.
Yes I totally agree with you that the football rivalry between the 2 teams is great. I guess what I meant to say was that the fan base of both teams hate each other more than the actual players do. You gave a great recap of the rivalry though. I go way back to the beginning and I remember those years of hating the 49 ers. Funny though how now Joe Montana's one of my favorite nostalgic quarterbacks

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Old 11-07-2019, 01:05 AM   #3
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Yes I totally agree with you that the football rivalry between the 2 teams is great. I guess what I meant to say was that the fan base of both teams hate each other more than the actual players do. You gave a great recap of the rivalry though. I go way back to the beginning and I remember those years of hating the 49 ers. Funny though how now Joe Montana's one of my favorite nostalgic quarterbacks

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I'm the same way with Steve Young LOL. Hated having to watch him batter and beat us to a bloody pulp twice a year, but I had a lot of respect for him as a player, and in advanced stats, Young pretty much is the QB that they desperately wish Aaron Rodgers was. Rodgers matches him with an all time best TD/INT ratio, but his efficiency numbers are poor while Young was an MVP candidate up in his late 30s. The big 3 elite QBs in that era were Favre, Young and a past his prime Aikman behind them (after his back injury, he was never the same again but still commanded respect for his 3 rings). Young had the numbers to be behind Favre in the MVP QB debates, where as Aaron Rodgers really falls short behind the Manning, Brady, Brees trio for most of the years. If social media existed back in the 90s and advanced stats, Young would've got all the praise and credit that Rodgers gets now. They would most likely even label him potential GOAT for his crazy efficiency numbers and when he retired, he had the all time best TD/INT ratio.

I hated having to deal with Kurt Warner back in his prime with the Rams but he is also one of my all time favorite QBs. He was likable and easy to root for being that his journey with the rags to riches story. I rooted for him hard when the Cards made that SB in 2008.

I know some older Falcons fans who are cool and I get along with them, not much trash talk and we've been to games. But then again, they're older and come from our generation, we're mostly chilled out now and not rowdy anymore.

Talking football with older Falcons fans is pretty funny though cause they hate those old 49ers teams as much as we do. They really caught a break in 1998 by getting ahead of the Niners in the twilight of their dynasty and yet even in that year, the Falcons had to win 14 games to get the division.

One bad memory I have of Atlanta back in the day was seeing Morten Andersen go there and I don't have the time this morning to pull up the game, but I know there is one game where he kicked multiple 40-50 yard kicks on us which was like daggers going into the heart. Hated seeing him in a Falcons uniform making those clutch long distance kicks.
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:51 AM   #4
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I'm the same way with Steve Young LOL. Hated having to watch him batter and beat us to a bloody pulp twice a year, but I had a lot of respect for him as a player, and in advanced stats, Young pretty much is the QB that they desperately wish Aaron Rodgers was. Rodgers matches him with an all time best TD/INT ratio, but his efficiency numbers are poor while Young was an MVP candidate up in his late 30s. The big 3 elite QBs in that era were Favre, Young and a past his prime Aikman behind them (after his back injury, he was never the same again but still commanded respect for his 3 rings). Young had the numbers to be behind Favre in the MVP QB debates, where as Aaron Rodgers really falls short behind the Manning, Brady, Brees trio for most of the years. If social media existed back in the 90s and advanced stats, Young would've got all the praise and credit that Rodgers gets now. They would most likely even label him potential GOAT for his crazy efficiency numbers and when he retired, he had the all time best TD/INT ratio.

I hated having to deal with Kurt Warner back in his prime with the Rams but he is also one of my all time favorite QBs. He was likable and easy to root for being that his journey with the rags to riches story. I rooted for him hard when the Cards made that SB in 2008.

I know some older Falcons fans who are cool and I get along with them, not much trash talk and we've been to games. But then again, they're older and come from our generation, we're mostly chilled out now and not rowdy anymore.

Talking football with older Falcons fans is pretty funny though cause they hate those old 49ers teams as much as we do. They really caught a break in 1998 by getting ahead of the Niners in the twilight of their dynasty and yet even in that year, the Falcons had to win 14 games to get the division.

One bad memory I have of Atlanta back in the day was seeing Morten Andersen go there and I don't have the time this morning to pull up the game, but I know there is one game where he kicked multiple 40-50 yard kicks on us which was like daggers going into the heart. Hated seeing him in a Falcons uniform making those clutch long distance kicks.
I STILL haven't fully embraced Morten Anderson back into the Who Dat Nation. Or Bobby Hebert for that matter. LOL
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I STILL haven't fully embraced Morten Anderson back into the Who Dat Nation. Or Bobby Hebert for that matter. LOL
Herbert is hands down the most overrated Saints player in our franchise history IMO. The biggest weakness of the Mora/Dome Patrol teams was that they had the historical equivalent of Blake Bortles at QB. He still won a lot of games due to that defense but that didn't make him great. The NFC was tough back then and the NFCCG was the real SB. It wasn't like the AFC where the 2000 Ravens with Dilfer got to go through crappy teams. Every team that ever beat us in the playoffs and the 49ers knew damn well that Herbert was our biggest weakness and as long as you brought pressure on him and could force him to throw INTs, all you had to do was not turn the ball over against our defense, and they could grind out a hard fought win.

I have never understood fans that defend Herbert. He was so bad that we pretty much got screwed by Jimmy Johnson and Dallas trading a draft pick for Steve Walsh who was an even worse QB than Herbert.

Herbert saved his WORST games for the playoffs. We were on route to putting the Falcons in a hole in the 1991 game. Up 10-0, he throws a pick right to Sanders in the endzone. We could've been up 17-0 and had them buried. That one play changed that entire game. Then the 1992 game, he just stunk it up so bad, even though we had a 20-7 lead early in that game. The two best years of the Dome Patrol were wasted on him being the QB.

What drove me nuts was seeing him go to Atlanta and have his only pro bowl season and put up decent numbers in the Run-N-Shoot offense for one year. But even that season really wasn't all that great or they wouldn't have been willing to move on to Jeff George.
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I STILL haven't fully embraced Morten Anderson back into the Who Dat Nation. Or Bobby Hebert for that matter. LOL
Agreed. Vividly remember Hebert doing that stupid Airplane move on the field after throwing a touchdown against the Saints in the Dome. Leaving is one thing, going to Atlanta is a direct FU to the Saints and their fans.

Haven't forgiven Joe Horn either even though he only lasted a season there.
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Agreed. Vividly remember Hebert doing that stupid Airplane move on the field after throwing a touchdown against the Saints in the Dome. Leaving is one thing, going to Atlanta is a direct FU to the Saints and their fans.

Haven't forgiven Joe Horn either even though he only lasted a season there.
Don't forget we got Curtis Lofton from the Failclowns.
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Don't forget we got Curtis Lofton from the Failclowns.
I remember that. We got Michael Haynes from them too. But that was players betraying them, not us. Hence the difference.
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Agreed. Vividly remember Hebert doing that stupid Airplane move on the field after throwing a touchdown against the Saints in the Dome. Leaving is one thing, going to Atlanta is a direct FU to the Saints and their fans.

Haven't forgiven Joe Horn either even though he only lasted a season there.
The one way to look at it is that football is a business and these guys are simply trying to make their living.

Joe Horn didn't bother me. As for Morten, that failure fell on us. We should've kept him instead of allowing him to go over there. Herbert could've stayed with the Falcons for all I cared after all the stinkers he put up in the playoffs.
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Agreed. Vividly remember Hebert doing that stupid Airplane move on the field after throwing a touchdown against the Saints in the Dome. Leaving is one thing, going to Atlanta is a direct FU to the Saints and their fans.

Haven't forgiven Joe Horn either even though he only lasted a season there.
The fact that Horn went to Roddy White during a Saints/Falcons game and said that he'd join him in Atlanta the next year and that he'd make White a great receiver always bothered me.

Did you know: Lance Moore accepted a deal with the Falcons on a Friday and quit the team two days later? I'm certain he did that because...screw the Falcons.
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