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WhoDat!656 11-06-2019 07:03 PM

Dez Bryant says he’s two weeks away from trying out for the NFL
 
He’s also said before that he wants to make his first call to New Orleans, to see if the Saints still have room for him — explaining that he feels he owes them and coach Sean Payton for having given him a shot after the Cowboys released him last year. Whether that’s still the plan is unsure, but it looks like we’ll find out in about two weeks.

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019...-cowboys-news/

stickman 11-06-2019 07:39 PM

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Give him a workout. Not like our WR corps couldn't use an upgrade.

st thomas 11-06-2019 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 866090)
Give him a workout. Not like our WR corps couldn't use an upgrade.



U mean our 1 wide receiver


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AsylumGuido 11-07-2019 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 866095)
U mean our 1 wide receiver


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Let's see how Smith does finally returning this week. We may be fine. Not to mention Cook coming back this week, as well.

st thomas 11-07-2019 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 866130)
Let's see how Smith does finally returning this week. We may be fine. Not to mention Cook coming back this week, as well.



Just poking pun AG I’m hungry for some trequan bad


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K Major 11-07-2019 08:13 AM

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Would it really hurt to bring Dez Bryant in for a workout though ??

If this guy can show more production (1 rec / 9 yards thus far) than Austin Carr, I'd sign him in a New York minute.

I'm not holding my breath on guys not named Michael Thomas & Alvin Kamara at catching the football in key moments.

st thomas 11-07-2019 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 866083)
He’s also said before that he wants to make his first call to New Orleans, to see if the Saints still have room for him — explaining that he feels he owes them and coach Sean Payton for having given him a shot after the Cowboys released him last year. Whether that’s still the plan is unsure, but it looks like we’ll find out in about two weeks.



https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019...-cowboys-news/



When was he last time dez had real bullets fired at him ? My concern is trequan’s health can he hold up for possibly 11 more games.


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ScottF 11-07-2019 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 866140)
Would it really hurt to bring Dez Bryant in for a workout though ??

If this guy can show more production (1 rec / 9 yards thus far) than Austin Carr, I'd sign him in a New York minute.

I'm not holding my breath on guys not named Michael Thomas & Alvin Kamara at catching the football in key moments.

Zero harm in a test drive.
Butttttttt, wouldn't it make sense to get him to the facility now and let the team aid in recovery? I know we don't have the best track record, but we did sign him before.

TheOak 11-07-2019 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 866142)
Zero harm in a test drive.
Butttttttt, wouldn't it make sense to get him to the facility now and let the team aid in recovery? I know we don't have the best track record, but we did sign him before.

Dez isn't under contract and therefor has zero protection from our team doctors and our team has zero protection from him. There is possible liability in both directions and that's why no one will do that. He also isn't going to recover with a specific team to keep from narrowing his possible options if the Saints do not sign him.

A tryout is one thing, recovery and medical care is a whole different ball of wax.

foreverfan 11-07-2019 10:15 AM

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The only reason he wants to come here is for a Superbowl.

leilung 11-07-2019 11:01 AM

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It wouldn't kill us to kick the tires, would it?

leilung 11-07-2019 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 866151)
The only reason he wants to come here is for a Superbowl.

IDK. I mean, wasn't he here before...just for the job? Or was he ring hunting then?

SmashMouth 11-07-2019 11:21 AM

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Rugby Saint II 11-07-2019 11:27 AM

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Bring him in and if he's got gas left in the tank then sign him. I have very little faith in him but I have even less in cook and Tre' smith. Dallas limited us and laid out the game plan on how to beat us with just our one receiver and a bunch of unproven players.

AsylumGuido 11-07-2019 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 866161)
Bring him in and if he's got gas left in the tank then sign him. I have very little faith in him but I have even less in cook and Tre' smith. Dallas limited us and laid out the game plan on how to beat us with just our one receiver and a bunch of unproven players.

If that game plan is so reliable then why are we 7-1?

:confused:

dizzle88 11-07-2019 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 866165)
If that game plan is so reliable then why are we 7-1?

:confused:

Nothing wrong with wanting to get better though, we had tons of success early to mid season last year, then our offense really slowed down after the Dallas game.

Playoff caliber teams will work to shut Thomas and Kamara down like last year, if Dez can still play at a high level, then he can get open better than Tre'Quan or Austin Carr can.

SaintFanInATLHELL 11-07-2019 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 866161)
Bring him in and if he's got gas left in the tank then sign him. I have very little faith in him but I have even less in cook and Tre' smith. Dallas limited us and laid out the game plan on how to beat us with just our one receiver and a bunch of unproven players.

Is this from last year or from the Dallas game week 4 of this year? This year's game Dallas held in the red zone against Teddy in his second start but really had little luck stopping the Saints offense between the 20's. After that game, nothing other than the Jags game indicates that the offense is limited.

The real problem with Dez is that he's not multiple in any way. In the future he'll be in a receiver position that really requires more than just being a receiver. Go back and check the snap counts for TQS, Carr, and Kirkwood when they play. They play special teams, where Dez cannot and will not.

For some reason this 3rd/4th receiver position just seems like a solution looking for a problem to solve. In any case, Dez isn't the solution. The only true solution as I see it is healthy players as Cook, TQS, and Kirkwood, along with Kamara being unavailable posed the biggest issue for the offense. Everyone but Kirkwood is practicing, so I hope that everyone can stay the course through the playoffs.

I just wonder if we go unblemished in November and start December at 11-1 will the forums still be talking about how the 3rd/4th receiver position is really going to be the difference in the Saints offense being successful.

SFIAH

dizzle88 11-07-2019 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 866184)
Is this from last year or from the Dallas game week 4 of this year? This year's game Dallas held in the red zone against Teddy in his second start but really had little luck stopping the Saints offense between the 20's. After that game, nothing other than the Jags game indicates that the offense is limited.

The real problem with Dez is that he's not multiple in any way. In the future he'll be in a receiver position that really requires more than just being a receiver. Go back and check the snap counts for TQS, Carr, and Kirkwood when they play. They play special teams, where Dez cannot and will not.

For some reason this 3rd/4th receiver position just seems like a solution looking for a problem to solve. In any case, Dez isn't the solution. The only true solution as I see it is healthy players as Cook, TQS, and Kirkwood, along with Kamara being unavailable posing the biggest issue for the offense.

I just wonder if we go unblemished in November and start December at 11-1 will the forums still be talking about how the 3rd/4th receiver position is really going to be the difference in the Saints offense being successful.

SFIAH

He's referring to the Dallas game last year, the offense looked lethargic after that game and that went into the playoffs.

14-0 early deficit against the eagles and then a bunch of drives that ended with nothing vs Rams. We had multiple chances to pull away from the Rams and we let the refs dictate the outcome by keeping it so close.

K Major 11-07-2019 02:33 PM

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Posters who say "we are fine when Tre, Cook etc returns" kind of missed my point.

The goal here is to add another THREAT at WR that will enable a very good Saints team to become every better down the stretch & into the playoffs. To date Can't Guard Mike has 73 receptions /875 yards ... that's incredible. Lose Thomas for a series, half or game ... good grief. Yet we had a few people who argued that he shouldn't get paid this past off season.

Why does anyone think the Saints reached out to Denver (ESanders) & Cincy (AJ Green) on a possible trade?

At the end of the day Tre, Cook, Kirkwood, Jordan Humphrey and Carr have yet to produce. For me, it' not all about acquiring Dez but more about getting production on Sunday's from others not named Thomas. Does anyone realize that Taysom Hill (3 td's) has more receiving yards than all of those "other guys" not named MT & Ginn?

SaintFanInATLHELL 11-07-2019 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 866185)
He's referring to the Dallas game last year, the offense looked lethargic after that game and that went into the playoffs.

14-0 early deficit against the eagles and then a bunch of drives that ended with nothing vs Rams. We had multiple chances to pull away from the Rams and we let the refs dictate the outcome by keeping it so close.

Yes. That's what I thought. But this isn't last year. No "blueprint" has come to fruition in terms of stopping CSP's offense. The team is 7-1 after facing a current top 10 schedule in the league, and including facing that similar Dallas team.

To me it's been all about "What if?" What if CGM is double covered? Or CGM is unavailable for some reason? What then?

We have evidence in the last 8 games. 5+ games without Brees? The team goes 5-1. Games without Kamara? No problem. And none of this was last season. This is the Saints now.

I really think that it's just too much influence of fantasy football. FF players want to have all stars in every starting position, and in every backup position too. But that cannot be done with real teams. When CGM gets a $100 million extension, it does mean that some other part of the organization has to go without.

And going without the 3rd/4th receiver is something we can live with. The Saints have other playmakers. There's Ginn who has been productive when asked. Karama/Murray who execute outlets and screens to perfection. Cook was warming up before being injured, while TQS was injured on a play that gained 28 yards.

Also the most missing element of the lethargic finish last year was the health of the offensive line. Pretty much from tackle to tackle, from Peat, to Unger, to Warford, the line was dinged up late last season. Note that so far this season that hasn't been the case and the production and the record reflects that.

All of this to say that there's no way that the Saints' season going to hang on a 3rd/4th WR's production. That's a position that has to be multiple and productive without a bunch of targets and catches because after the balls to CGM, the backs, Ginn, Cook/Hill/Arnold, and Taysom, there's slim pickings left after that. My assertion is as long as the O-line holds up and Brees is healthy/fresh there's no defense that can defend the waves of options that CSP will throw at defenses down the stretch.

SFIAH

neugey 11-07-2019 04:11 PM

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Better him than that sourpuss AB

AsylumGuido 11-07-2019 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 866195)
Yes. That's what I thought. But this isn't last year. No "blueprint" has come to fruition in terms of stopping CSP's offense. The team is 7-1 after facing a current top 10 schedule in the league, and including facing that similar Dallas team.

To me it's been all about "What if?" What if CGM is double covered? Or CGM is unavailable for some reason? What then?

We have evidence in the last 8 games. 5+ games without Brees? The team goes 5-1. Games without Kamara? No problem. And none of this was last season. This is the Saints now.

I really think that it's just too much influence of fantasy football. FF players want to have all stars in every starting position, and in every backup position too. But that cannot be done with real teams. When CGM gets a $100 million extension, it does mean that some other part of the organization has to go without.

And going without the 3rd/4th receiver is something we can live with. The Saints have other playmakers. There's Ginn who has been productive when asked. Karama/Murray who execute outlets and screens to perfection. Cook was warming up before being injured, while TQS was injured on a play that gained 28 yards.

Also the most missing element of the lethargic finish last year was the health of the offensive line. Pretty much from tackle to tackle, from Peat, to Unger, to Warford, the line was dinged up late last season. Note that so far this season that hasn't been the case and the production and the record reflects that.

All of this to say that there's no way that the Saints' season going to hang on a 3rd/4th WR's production. That's a position that has to be multiple and productive without a bunch of targets and catches because after the balls to CGM, the backs, Ginn, Cook/Hill/Arnold, and Taysom, there's slim pickings left after that. My assertion is as long as the O-line holds up and Brees is healthy/fresh there's no defense that can defend the waves of options that CSP will throw at defenses down the stretch.

SFIAH

I can't disagree with any of that. Everyone we have on roster now at WR is well versed in THIS year's playbook. Bringing in anyone at this point, especially a WR known for not being accurate in his route running, could be detrimental. Especially if everyone is getting healthy.

SaintFanInATLHELL 11-07-2019 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 866188)
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At the end of the day Tre, Cook, Kirkwood, Jordan Humphrey and Carr have yet to produce. For me, it' not all about acquiring Dez but more about getting production on Sunday's from others not named Thomas. Does anyone realize that Taysom Hill (3 td's) has more receiving yards than all of those "other guys" not named MT & Ginn?

That lack of production is because of a lack of targets. Now we can look at the lack of targets in two ways:

1. The receivers listed simply are not making themselves available to be targeted because they are not talented enough to be a threat on the field.

2. The targets from Brees/Teddy went elsewhere simply because their earlier reads in the progression were available.

Looks at CGM's stat line: 89 targets, 73 catches, 82% catch rate, 12.5 yards/rec. CGM is the #1 read on virtually every pass play. And with that success rate, why would a QB target anyone else if CGM is open?

The backs, tight ends and Ginn have over 150 more targets after that. With Teddy being a 2 read QB, it makes sense that the vast majority of the targets will be to CGM as the first read and Ginn/TE the 2nd, and backs as the outlet.

There really just isn't much left after that especially with Teddy, but even with Brees. I know I shouldn't refer back to last year but just an example of what I'm talking about. It was reported on Brees' record breaking TD pass to TQS against Washington last year that TQS's route is one that's virtually never targeted. The play simply isn't schemed for the ball to go to that receiver for that play.

I'm arguing that much of the Saints offense is designed like that, which creates the perceived lack of production. Carr for example has participated in 188 snaps, which is 34 percent of the offensive snaps. He's had 4 targets in those snaps. I ask if being targeted and making catches is Carr's most critical function, then why would CSP continue to roll Carr out on the field with that level of production?

I guess someone will try to double CGM every play and get the right personnel on Kamara/Murray forcing Brees to other targets. Then and only then can we see if the lack of production is due to lack of targets or lack of talent.

But until then, it ain't broke. So I'm just wondering why everyone is trying to find ways to fix a non-problem IMHO.

SFIAH

The Dude 11-07-2019 05:54 PM

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Do any of you really believe that Payton hasn’t been paying attention to Dez situation from the get go?
If Payton thinks he can contribute then he will be signed. The tires have been kicked and if Dez looks as if he could actually do something he will try out. Some of you act like signing Dez would be some sort of big epiphany.
Being said, dude hasn’t seen the field in 3 years and he sucked his last year. Honestly he only had 2-3 good years.

CHA_CHING 11-07-2019 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 866207)
That lack of production is because of a lack of targets. Now we can look at the lack of targets in two ways:

1. The receivers listed simply are not making themselves available to be targeted because they are not talented enough to be a threat on the field.

2. The targets from Brees/Teddy went elsewhere simply because their earlier reads in the progression were available.

Looks at CGM's stat line: 89 targets, 73 catches, 82% catch rate, 12.5 yards/rec. CGM is the #1 read on virtually every pass play. And with that success rate, why would a QB target anyone else if CGM is open?

The backs, tight ends and Ginn have over 150 more targets after that. With Teddy being a 2 read QB, it makes sense that the vast marjority of the targets will be to CGM as the first read and Ginn/TE the 2nd, and backs as the outlet.

There really just isn't much left after that especially with Teddy, but even with Brees. I know I shouldn't refer back to last year but just an example of what I'm talking about. It was reported on Brees' record breaking TD pass to TQS against Washington last year that TQS's route is one that's virtually never targeted. The play simply isn't schemed for the ball to go to that receiver for that play.

I'm arguing that much of the Saints offense is designed like that, which creates the perceived lack of production. Carr for example has participated in 188 snaps, which is 34 percent of the offensive snaps. He's had 4 targets in those snaps. I ask if being targeted and making catches is Carr's most critical function, then why would CSP continue to roll Carr out on the field with that level of production?

I guess someone will try to double CGM every play and get the right personnel on Kamara/Murray forcing Brees to other targets. Then and only then can we see if the lack of production is due to lack of targets or lack of talent.

But until then, it ain't broke. So I'm just wondering why everyone is trying to find ways to fix a non-problem IMHO.

SFIAH

Great post, which I could like this 10 times.

cmike 11-07-2019 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 866207)
But until then, it ain't broke. So I'm just wondering why everyone is trying to find ways to fix a non-problem IMHO.

SFIAH

Brees said the same thing in a interview. He said until teams figure a way to stop Mike, why try anything different.
The Rams did not stop Mike in the NFCCG, Brees did a poor job delivering him the ball.

st thomas 11-07-2019 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 866188)
Posters who say "we are fine when Tre, Cook etc returns" kind of missed my point.

The goal here is to add another THREAT at WR that will enable a very good Saints team to become every better down the stretch & into the playoffs. To date Can't Guard Mike has 73 receptions /875 yards ... that's incredible. Lose Thomas for a series, half or game ... good grief. Yet we had a few people who argued that he shouldn't get paid this past off season.

Why does anyone think the Saints reached out to Denver (ESanders) & Cincy (AJ Green) on a possible trade?

At the end of the day Tre, Cook, Kirkwood, Jordan Humphrey and Carr have yet to produce. For me, it' not all about acquiring Dez but more about getting production on Sunday's from others not named Thomas. Does anyone realize that Taysom Hill (3 td's) has more receiving yards than all of those "other guys" not named MT & Ginn?



Yes and it says if we go into a stale offense for a second year in a row we will go apes. But it doesn’t mean that ;it’s if . Payton and loomis better have something up there sleeve for not getting aggressive in a trade for help. Maybe seeing tre q Smith on the field will settle a few butterfly’s


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CHA_CHING 11-07-2019 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cmike (Post 866221)
Brees said the same thing in a interview. He said until teams figure a way to stop Mike, why try anything different.
The Rams did not stop Mike in the NFCCG, Brees did a poor job delivering him the ball.

Brees was bad in the playoffs period, but especially in the NFCCG.

On the infamous non-call play, had the corner been watching the ball it would've been an INT and possibly a pick six with all that room to run. Even Troy Aikman said it.

Before that, the long bomb to Ginn was nearly intercepted.

The INT in overtime was coming. We weren't playing our best that day and letting the Rams hang around long enough to steal it.

This year feels different. I don't think we'll get stuck in the same situation as last year where we struggled offensively every game after Thanksgiving.

Budsdrinker 11-08-2019 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CHA_CHING (Post 866231)
Brees was bad in the playoffs period, but especially in the NFCCG.

On the infamous non-call play, had the corner been watching the ball it would've been an INT and possibly a pick six with all that room to run. Even Troy Aikman said it.

Before that, the long bomb to Ginn was nearly intercepted.

The INT in overtime was coming. We weren't playing our best that day and letting the Rams hang around long enough to steal it.

This year feels different. I don't think we'll get stuck in the same situation as last year where we struggled offensively every game after Thanksgiving.

This is crazy. Brees hits Arnold in the hands in the 1st that he dropped. There wasn't anyone near the missed PI that could have intercepted that ball. The OT pick, Brees was hit in the arm and head. We struggled last year because all receivers except Thomas was injured.

st thomas 11-08-2019 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 866258)
This is crazy. Brees hits Arnold in the hands in the 1st that he dropped. There wasn't anyone near the missed PI that could have intercepted that ball. The OT pick, Brees was hit in the arm and head. We struggled last year because all receivers except Thomas was injured.



I sure didn’t think that could have been picked either


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K Major 11-08-2019 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 866258)
We struggled last year because all receivers except Thomas was injured.

This is why I cringe every time I see All World Mike get up slowly after a pass catch to keep the chains moving ...

Having good depth at the position will go a long way.

Side note - I see Amari Cooper continues to get dinged up & he is 50/50 for Sunday. Having Gallup & Cobb (both continue to produce) are good #2, #3 options for Dak Bortles.

WhoDat!656 11-20-2019 07:05 AM

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Dez Bryant says he never should've played for the Saints (edit: seems to be about personal issues) (68 Viewers)

https://twitter.com/DezBryant/status...78232903524353

ChrisXVI 11-20-2019 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 868282)
Dez Bryant says he never should've played for the Saints (edit: seems to be about personal issues) (68 Viewers)

https://twitter.com/DezBryant/status...78232903524353

He worded it strangely, but I think he’s saying he never should have been in that situation because the Cowboys shouldn’t have cut him.

K Major 11-20-2019 07:48 AM

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I'm come to the realization that Dez isn't an option in NO.

It's the MT, Cook & Ginn show from here on out.

Unfortunately.


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