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jeanpierre 11-18-2019 04:06 PM

USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 

dizzle88 11-18-2019 05:06 PM

Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 
Davenport is invisible near enough every game day, yet fans constantly give him a free pass. As soon as Trey comes in, he immediately beats the guy Davenport was against for a near sack.

Maxx Crosby of the Raiders, a 4th round pick this year is only 1 sack shy of Davenports total in 2 years.

When a guy we traded a first round pick or two to get, is getting less snaps and getting outplayed by a 6th rounder in T-rex, something is definitely wrong.

saintsfan1976 11-18-2019 05:50 PM

Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 
Benching can bring out the best in a player. Let’s see how he responds.

MarchingOn 11-18-2019 07:48 PM

Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 868130)
Davenport is invisible near enough every game day, yet fans constantly give him a free pass. As soon as Trey comes in, he immediately beats the guy Davenport was against for a near sack.

Maxx Crosby of the Raiders, a 4th round pick this year is only 1 sack shy of Davenports total in 2 years.

When a guy we traded a first round pick or two to get, is getting less snaps and getting outplayed by a 6th rounder in T-rex, something is definitely wrong.

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I see your point but T-rex was drafted with our 3rd pick in the 3rd after Kamara and Anzalone

The Dude 11-18-2019 08:03 PM

Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 868136)
Benching can bring out the best in a player. Let’s see how he responds.

Jamal Brown.

SmashMouth 11-18-2019 08:43 PM

Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 
Is Davenport hurt?

The Dude 11-18-2019 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 868157)
Is Davenport hurt?

Just as disappointing if he is.

Rell&Gold 11-18-2019 10:50 PM

Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 
I bet some of you Were on Marcus Williams is trash train, the Malcolm Jenkins is trash train, But couldn't wait for Paul Krueger and Rishard Matthews. Players develop differently.....Trey is finally coming into his own and it's his third year he should be ahead of Davenport. Sacks aren't the only signs of a good pass rusher. If he's a bust then it is what it is. But Trey isn't the answer either they'll be drafting another PR if they feel like Davenport isn't what they thought he could be

Rell&Gold 11-18-2019 11:12 PM

Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 
It's all up e Marcus one thing for sure is he needs to WATCH tape on himself and the elite of the elite Pass Rushers.... Because what ever is being taught to him isn't sticking......he should have at least 10 sacks right now. Reggie White LT Von Miller Cameron Jordan Julius Peppers.....

saintsfan1976 11-19-2019 07:08 AM

Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 868149)
Jamal Brown.

Drew Brees.

Barry from MS 11-19-2019 07:12 AM

Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 
His 1st step is usually slow...he who hesitates is lost. The only time I've seen him quick is on 3rd & really long where everybody knows it's a pass.

Teams have run to his side on passing downs or the QB escapes for big runs on his side...recent example was the 23 yd by Winston. He's pushed the pocket but loses contain which has burned us.

He needs more film work. He needs to study more.

K Major 11-19-2019 07:48 AM

Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 868130)
Davenport is invisible near enough every game day, yet fans constantly give him a free pass. As soon as Trey comes in, he immediately beats the guy Davenport was against for a near sack.

Maxx Crosby of the Raiders, a 4th round pick this year is only 1 sack shy of Davenports total in 2 years.

When a guy we traded a first round pick or two to get, is getting less snaps and getting outplayed by a 6th rounder in T-rex, something is definitely wrong.

There is an article out from NOLA.com and Sean Payton provides good perspective on MD's minimal snap count on Sunday's game vs Tampa.

AsylumGuido 11-19-2019 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 868193)
There is an article out from NOLA.com and Sean Payton provides good perspective on MD's minimal snap count on Sunday's game vs Tampa.

Why the Saints defensive snap counts looked different than usual against Buccaneers

AsylumGuido 11-19-2019 08:15 AM

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Davenport and Hendrickson play different roles in the defensive scheme.

st thomas 11-19-2019 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 868195)



Thanks AG before people go off the deep end on Davenport .


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K Major 11-19-2019 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 868200)
Thanks AG before people go off the deep end on Davenport .


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Marcus D could turn into Bruce Smith/Julius Peppers and some fans would find a reason to link what the Saints gave up to get him :rolleyes:.

I trust the Saints scouting dept/front office brass on drafting and developing talent. They are "hitting" a lot more than missing over the last 3 years.

David O \ Vonn Bell
AK
Chauncey G Johnson \ Erik "the real deal" McCoy (impact players as ROOKIES)
Davenport

Trust and believe.

st thomas 11-19-2019 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 868203)
Marcus D could turn into Bruce Smith/Julius Peppers and some fans would find a reason to link what the Saints gave up to get him :rolleyes:.

I trust the Saints scouting dept/front office brass on drafting and developing talent. They are "hitting" a lot more than missing over the last 3 years.

David O \ Vonn Bell
AK
Chauncey G Johnson \ Erik "the real deal" McCoy (impact players as ROOKIES)
Davenport

Trust and believe.



We were all in on dav early he we’re coming thru and u don’t hear his name a couple games and he’s trash bin material .


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jeanpierre 11-19-2019 09:10 AM

Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 

jeanpierre 11-19-2019 09:17 AM

Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 
Don't care how Payton spins it, you spent that much draft capital on a guy that's not on the field as much as Cam Jordan (Cam cost one first round pick) then Payton's draft management should be questioned...

Davenport's responsibility is to be in the best shape he can be, be fully prepared in film study and game-specific scheme for that week, and play 100% to his abilities...

The fact that Payton stupidly overspent on the draft pick is not on Davenport, nor should it be, it's on Payton...

That said, I'd like to see more of the Davenport that flashed earlier in the season, but he's only had one game where he saw 50+ snaps - one; and that has to be concerning for all who love the Saints...

Budsdrinker 11-19-2019 01:49 PM

Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 868185)
His 1st step is usually slow...he who hesitates is lost. The only time I've seen him quick is on 3rd & really long where everybody knows it's a pass.

Teams have run to his side on passing downs or the QB escapes for big runs on his side...recent example was the 23 yd by Winston. He's pushed the pocket but loses contain which has burned us.

He needs more film work. He needs to study more.

Watch that play again. I believe it was a stunt where Davenport came from the end to the middle and Rankins went outside and he didn't go wide enough. Pretty sure this is the same play.

jeanpierre 11-21-2019 10:55 AM

Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 868130)
Davenport is invisible near enough every game day, yet fans constantly give him a free pass. As soon as Trey comes in, he immediately beats the guy Davenport was against for a near sack.

Maxx Crosby of the Raiders, a 4th round pick this year is only 1 sack shy of Davenports total in 2 years.

When a guy we traded a first round pick or two to get, is getting less snaps and getting outplayed by a 6th rounder in T-rex, something is definitely wrong.

Dizzle, Hendrickson was drafted in the third round, but it's of little consequence...

Maybe I'm getting older, maybe, just maybe, a little wiser, but don't hold where a guy is was drafted against him...

Be p*ssed at your team, the GM, the HC who overspent draft capital to acquire him...

Davenport's responsibility is to be at work/meetings on time, in-shape, and to give max effort toward team success...

I'm just not gonna be p/o'd at Davenport for what it took to get him, only if he doesn't do those things mentioned...

While I've been in the minority, it was another in all-too-many draft gaffes by Sean Payton who's as good as he is in offensive scheming, he's that terrible in personnel management...

jeanpierre 11-22-2019 10:36 AM

Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: Saints snap counts, Week 11: Was Marcus Davenport demoted?
 
Curious to see if the upward trend in snap counts continues with Kiko Alonso...

Hated losing Vince Biegel, but a good swap as Alonso is more versatile, even if he costs us a little more...


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