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saintfan 01-05-2020 05:36 PM

Textbook PI
 
Talk about the line, the QB, the missed FG, the slow start, the coaching, etc. Talk about that all you want. We overcame it ALL, and in the end we were ultimately defeated by textbook PI that wasn't called.

Again.

Is there anyone who still doesn't think Roger is controlling the outcome of these games?

The Dude 01-05-2020 06:10 PM

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It could have just as easily been defensive PI. Let it go.

saintfan 01-05-2020 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 875963)
It could have just as easily been defensive PI. Let it go.

Nope. Here's what Terry McAuley (former NFL Ref) had to say:

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It is illegal for an offensive player to extend his arm or arms and create clear separation from the defender. That was OPI.
Roger does it again. Not even up for debate.

WhoDat!656 01-05-2020 06:14 PM

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OFFENSIVE PASS INTERFERENCE

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules...-interference/

nola_swammi 01-05-2020 06:19 PM

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That was clearly opi Arm extended of a push off. What a way to lose again

Mr.Riaton 01-05-2020 06:33 PM

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It sucks losing like this yet again, but we lost from poor o line play,not a pass interference missed call in OT. Give Brees the time he needs in clean pocket and the Vikes dont have a chance

nola_swammi 01-05-2020 06:35 PM

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Brees still need to retire. He is the reason it was close enough to put in refs hands

bobdog86 01-05-2020 06:37 PM

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So what? Why get pissed over that? Why dwell on that? After the first 60 minutes of garbage, you reap what you sow. That was never going to be called, ever.....not this game any game yesterday or any game from here on out. Let it go, I understand we crapped all over ourselves and people want to post blame, but in reality....Let it go

Vrillon82 01-05-2020 06:38 PM

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They try to control outcomes. This year the Saints have had to account for both officials and team, you can’t do it every week and always win. I’m curious to see how they going to get anyone but Baltimore into the SB. No way they want Lamar in it. I think they going to get GB in it. 100 years of NFL needs a team like that in the sb by nfl logic.

nola_swammi 01-05-2020 06:41 PM

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Lamar Jackson is a beast, it’s going to be interesting how they keep them out

RaginCajun83 01-05-2020 06:41 PM

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This sucks getting screwed by the refs again in back to back years

Vrillon82 01-05-2020 06:43 PM

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Yeah, I firmly believe they want KC in it. 100 years of NFL and rematch of first 2 SBs. Like when GB and Pitt went at it for the 50th SB.

RaginCajun83 01-05-2020 06:45 PM

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SB 2 Packers vs Raiders

SB 50 Broncos and Panthers

Rell&Gold 01-05-2020 07:00 PM

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I put it more on the Oline than Brees honestly LT to RT played horrible. He made some mistakes but that fumble happened due to Ryan All pro RT getting beat like a drum inside yeah he needs to protect the ball but Ryan HAS TO DO BETTER

Rell&Gold 01-05-2020 07:01 PM

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That was OPI and but that also wasn't a TD by Cook

Rugby Saint II 01-06-2020 11:33 AM

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We screwed up by letting the refs decide the game. If we have a big lead the refs have a hard time stopping us.

saintfan 01-08-2020 01:09 PM

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Here's another one from the same game on the deep pass by Drew. Any questions?

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...14&oe=5E962634

hitta 01-08-2020 01:45 PM

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I don't care that it wasn't called. I care that it wasn't reviewed. If it would have went to review and they upheld the call I'd been content (albeit sad). It makes no sense me that you go through all of that process in the off-season to put a rule in place to make sure the correct call on those types of plays are made and then you decline to even make use of the tool that was provided to the refs to get the call right. Any other team then us I guarantee you they at least take a look at it there.

Lord_Saint83 01-08-2020 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 876512)
Here's another one from the same game on the deep pass by Drew. Any questions?

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...14&oe=5E962634

I understand where you are coming from. But if we had made 7pts instead of 3 on that turnover or ran the ball more to take the pressure off of drew. And if with the cleanest pocket he had all game on that pick threw a safer pass, minny doesn't go down and score. Granted it wasn't a td but that play never happens if drew doesn't throw the pick. Just by doing these three things we beat them in regulation by atleast 10 maybe 14

saintfan 01-08-2020 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 876531)
I understand where you are coming from. But if we had made 7pts instead of 3 on that turnover or ran the ball more to take the pressure off of drew. And if with the cleanest pocket he had all game on that pick threw a safer pass, minny doesn't go down and score. Granted it wasn't a td but that play never happens if drew doesn't throw the pick. Just by doing these three things we beat them in regulation by atleast 10 maybe 14

And even by not doing all those thing - by not playing a perfect game, we may still have won if not for blatant missed calls. This is my point. Given our recent experience and that of other teams (see Seattle getting completely robbed when SF committed blatant PI in the end zone on the last play of the season as an example) it is clear that the refs are doing what is required. These aren't one-offs anymore, and the refs don't suck. As I've stated elsewhere, the refs throw flags for minimal (if at all) offenses from half way across the field and then we are expected to believe they "miss" the obvious ones in front of their faces?

As fans we don't want to believe it. We love football and professional football in particular. I understand. It's a hard pill to swallow. I've been saying the NBA has been rigged for 30 years, and it is. There is more and more (and more) evidence which suggests the NFL is too.

The kicker to my thinking is the fact that the league has the resources to correct the problem, assuming they'd want it corrected, and it appears they do not since they refuse to leverage those resources.

The "sport" of football ends in college. The NFL is pure entertainment, and the league, at a minimum at best, is influencing the results.

Lord_Saint83 01-08-2020 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 876532)
And even by not doing all those thing - by not playing a perfect game, we may still have won if not for blatant missed calls. This is my point. Given our recent experience and that of other teams (see Seattle getting completely robbed when SF committed blatant PI in the end zone on the last play of the season as an example) it is clear that the refs are doing what is required. These aren't one-offs anymore, and the refs don't suck. As I've stated elsewhere, the refs throw flags for minimal (if at all) offenses from half way across the field and then we are expected to believe they "miss" the obvious ones in front of their faces?

As fans we don't want to believe it. We love football and professional football in particular. I understand. It's a hard pill to swallow. I've been saying the NBA has been rigged for 30 years, and it is. There is more and more (and more) evidence which suggests the NFL is too.

The kicker to my thinking is the fact that the league has the resources to correct the problem, assuming they'd want it corrected, and it appears they do not since they refuse to leverage those resources.

The "sport" of football ends in college. The NFL is pure entertainment, and the league, at a minimum at best, is influencing the results.



I agree with refs but if we did a few things right we take them out the equation. The nfl wants big market teams to succeed so does the nba they make no qualms about its as plan as day. I also think the nfl punishes us because of Payton to be honest. And college football is tainted too but not as much as pro football. From the schools buying players things to get them to come there, its just not as talked about but it happens. To the boosters buy kids cars, drugs, hookers, etc. To the bcs and rankings, all of which has favorites for certain teams.

saintfan 01-08-2020 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 876533)
I agree with refs but if we did a few things right we take them out the equation. The nfl wants big market teams to succeed so does the nba they make no qualms about its as plan as day. I also think the nfl punishes us because of Payton to be honest. And college football is tainted too but not as much as pro football. From the schools buying players things to get them to come there, its just not as talked about but it happens. To the boosters buy kids cars, drugs, hookers, etc. To the bcs and rankings, all of which has favorites for certain teams.

If we start rolling, and the league doesn't want us rolling...

"Illegal hands to the face"
"Holding"

Etc

We played a bad game, and to be clear, I acknowledge we didn't show up, but we fought back and had a shot. It should have been 3rd down and goal from the 14. Instead it's a game-ending touchdown, and just like last year, everybody in the stadium could see the player push off, and yet we are expected to accept, "it didn't rise to the level of a foul" by the NFL?

Then what, exactly, does rise to that level? By rule that was PI, and it's not even close. His arm was extended and his lower body was extended past his upper body BECAUSE he was pushing off. And look, as a one-off or an every now and then...I can live with that, but this is neither. This is now a consistent pattern of behavior across the league.

I don't WANT to call it a conspiracy. I don't WANT to believe the NFL is rigged. But I have eyes and I can do simple math.

You fix the problem with the same number of cameras for every game, and you get it right. Why wouldn't you want to get it right? Why is there so much push back on getting it right? Hmmmmmm


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