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Im still floored that there are actually Saints fans who are hoping to lose the Best QB in Football.

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Add to that the fact that he is still a better all round QB than any other available replacement. That is just totally mind-boggling.

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He can always be replaced by "THE KID!!!!"

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It’s true but don’t say all around AG his arm can can no longer dish it out long. Not knocking still a top 5 QB


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By all round I mean that he has strengths that by far outclass most other QBs. There are QB's with stronger arms, more agility, and taller, but none are more accurate and few have a faster release or the ability to read a defense as well. I doubt that any work as hard to remain in top physical condition and have the understanding of the offense provided by Sean Payton. The Saints very well may never again see the success that we have enjoyed for the past decade and a half.

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... and now people are hatin' on SEAN PAYTON?

What in the actual ****?

im gonna start making a list.

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I didn't bother to read the whole thread. The Saints don't have a problem with Sean. He is an elite coach. He is an elite motivator. He, more maybe than even Drew, is the face of our franchise, and we are blessed beyond measure to have him running the show. He has faults. I can't think of another coach in college or the NFL I'd rather have running our show. I can say the same for Loomis as GM. We are blessed.

Drew has more in the tank. He's not young. He's not going to run around and beat you that way. If we can solidify the oline Drew can get it done at a very high level. Drew is not our problem.

As I see it, our defense is good enough. We need some help or better play on the back end, but we're good enough there to win 10+ games. I'd like to get better, but we don't suck on defense.

We suck at WR outside Thomas. We...suck. I realize Dez is old and all that goes with that, but I was willing to give it a go because we have NOBODY at WR outside Thomas. Nobody.

Our biggest problem? Roger. I know, people don't want to hear it, but not wanting to hear it doesn't make it less true. Roger is controlling the games to the extent they can be controlled without an NBA style fix. It breaks my heart. I love the NFL. I've been watching games for decades, and it's pretty clear. The refs are not 'bad'. The rules are out of control, and it is clear that certain calls are made or not made at crucial times which are obviously either "missed" (with intent) or made up. This is not exclusive to Saints games. I think if we had the data Roger has we'd better understand the favoritism shown to a given team or teams from one season to the next. I'm in advertising. Advertising is the name of the game, which means ratings, which means markets, which means Roger has a directive based on what the NFL "needs" in a given season or even week to week. I'd bet the farm on it being true, if I had a farm...

I'm slowly recovering from last season, and I'll be ready to go come training camp. Still, I'm convinced Roger still has an issue with Sean and nobody will convince me games are not officiated to that end.

That's what I'm thinking Skymike.

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The logical solution to me is to bring Drew and Taysom back and expand upon what we started on this last season. Evolve into more of a true 2-QB system. It's not supposed to work in the NFL but we were starting to prove otherwise. Go for it and give it a shot.

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What I’m hearing on some networks pft for one is saying we will have to come with 15 mill to keep taysom because the patriots for one is going to come strong for him . teddy definitely won’t be here . what’s it’s telling me Sean is not ready to give up his toy . So it’s tells me we have to pick up a serviceable qb off somebody that will take vet minimum to keep the train going . Unless unless unless Drew hangs it up.


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I think Taysom Hill's value is not at QB. It is as the joker which he has been excelling. The only reason he was able to be used as much as he was was because we had a true backup QB. Do not forget how little Taysom was used when Brees was sidelined. If he was the backup, or the starter, he wouldn't have as much of an impact. I just don't see him as an effective starter anywhere and his use would be limited as the primary backup, as well. His limited success passing has always come as the result of a trick play of sorts. He only completed three passes in six attempts on the season for a total of 55 yards.

We need another backup QB to replace Bridgewater and keep Taysom as weapon.

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Marcus Marriota
Colt McKoy
Trevor Siemian
Blake Bortles
Chase Daniels

Just to name a few off the top of my head ... all Free Agents in 2020.

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You're thinking right, Banana-Man.

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U know trever simian. Has some talent it all went south for that cat in Denver if I remember. It would have went south for Drew Brees in that line up


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If Mariota could be a bit safer with the ball, he could really thrive in this offense with his scrambling ability.

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Especially when peat decides to take a play off when we need max protection


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Lol so every other play then.

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For one team, it's just their year.

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Well when you watch a team come out at home two straight years without any fire in the playoffs, yeah I'm confident it is a motivational issue. When .Minnesota dline is cutting through your oline like swiss cheese, yeah.

I'd be concerned I wasnt right and you might be, but we already lost so theres that

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Not trying to cut in to you guys insights because both have legit concerns or just wasn’t meant to be. In truth I’m starting to read in to that when Davenport and rankings went down so did the moral seems like it took the wind out of our sail especially cam he looked tired , he fought but he needed that bye


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he fought but he needed that bye

Tackle Kittle = Bye

No tackle = Bye, Bye!!

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Don’t get a sorry asre flag for a bogus hit to the head he got that bye too


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49ers wouldnt be running the ball that much on the Saints like they did GB though.

Saints would of been in the game by 4th qtr compared to what that fraud of a team GB was.

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Kyle would have run it down our throats with those fast RB's. Especially considering we were without Davenport who is above average at setting the edge.

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I am real. Late posting too.
Be honest people.
Last year was the Saints chance to get to The Big One was Saints vs. Rams.
Yeah the refs call, BUT THE Saints should have put the game away, while at home, well before ref’s call.
The Rams did not belong in SB 2019 and were awful and awful since.

I like these Sean’s Saints of the past 15 years. It has been a great ride ride, lots of excitement.

I appreciate the Sean’s Saints being Divisional Champs over and over again.
These Saints still hav some exciting games , wins, coming up 2020. I predict an good, exciting 8-8, 9-7, or 10-6 season.

My point , after watching Playoffs, Saints would have not made it to the big one and was not get there again under Brees years.
No, I am not in that silly talk of trading him, etc.
I wish the Saints would have, again, put the Playoff game, at home at that, away early against the Vikings who , obviously, did not belong there and could not go the next round either.
No way Saints could have gone past second Playoff game.

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Not with the injuries to the defensive line and losing Kiko Alonzo to a torn ACL in the Vikings game. But, I see no reason with another weapon at WR why they shouldn't once again be favorites to reach the Super Bowl. 13-3 is very realistic once again.

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Especially, when we have the best QB in Football.

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Not to mention the former OROY, DROY and current OPOY!!

The OY'S Have it!!

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The only thought I had was when we are playing our best ball, we are the best team in the league and for some reason keep throwing away chances at winning the SB even though we have the best team. There's always a common theme with us throwing away the season too.. which revolves around us not running the football enough.

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So the simple solution is run the ball more, right? That fixes everything. I can't believe coaches haven't figured that out yet.

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I’m thinking how dumb the miners are after the pick of mahommmes taking that super bowl winning pose in the end zone ohhh


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I don't think Shanahan had much trust in Jimmy G ...

Right before half, 3 times and an opportunity to score & late Jimmy had a wide open Sanders but he failed to make that throw.

Jimmy G isn't big time, meanwhile that #15 is special.

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Pretty boy Floyd is just that pretty boy dud


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LOL ..

I meant to say 3 timeout left ...

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I got it now ok


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You are twisting my words. That isn't the only reason we lost. We have a bunch of little issues that throw us off. We could use another WR threat for example. There is a strong statistical basis for saying that we don't run the ball enough. We run the ball much less in the games that we lose in comparison to the games that we win. You could argue that we have to throw the ball more to catch up, though I think this is a poor argument. In the game against the Vikings, we ran the ball 17 times versus 34 passes. 4 of those runs were by Taysom Hill, 1 was by Drew Brees, That is 12 rushing attempts from the RBs. Both RBs(Kamara/Murray) were averaging over 3 yards per carry, with Murray averaging over 4 yards per carry. We made absolutely no attempt to get the running game going. So yes, a simple solution may be to run the ball more.

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Good luck preaching that to the little general . He’s bull headed to listening to anyone other than himself. Popping 5 yard completions to MT all day will get us to the promised land.


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:deadhorse2:


Saints didn't address this for 2 years now and it cost us. I'd draft one EARLY & then sign an experienced vet. You can never have enough weapons at WR.

Chiefs have Kelcey, Tyreek and Watkins. Major threats and weapons.

A name not many are mentioning this morning is the play calling of Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy. IMO he's well deserving of a Head Coaching opportunity.

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We’ve all beat a hole thru the freakin drum for 2 years needing a legit slot/wr someone who could change directions on a dime to pop open ,a half of lance moore would could have possibly got us thru big games. I’m echoing your reply but don’t give a rats assre. It’s that kind of morning after a Super Bowl my saints ain’t in.


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Then why are football coaches so stupid that they cannot understand that concept? One reason is that defenses make adjustments as the game goes on. Early success running can be addressed by the defense which forces the audible to a pass plays, instead. Running less is usually the result of game flow which is why there are commonly fewer runs in losing efforts. It is also a fact that when a team is behind and needs to maximize the time remaining that fewer rushing attempts are made. Lower run counts are usually a result, not a cause.

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To my untrained eyes it feels like we abandon the run early in the game when the holes aren't there. That makes some sense to me and I understand why we keep going pass happy when we aren't moving the ball on the ground. This is why I'm pounding the table for a LG to replace Peat. Warford doesn't pass the eye test either and I think he could be replaced. We have to be able to open holes for the backs or give Drew some time in the pocket.