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SmashMouth 02-08-2020 09:18 AM
What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
He might slip down to Saints' slot, no?

K Major 02-08-2020 09:40 AM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
Hard pass for me on Tua.

halloween 65 02-08-2020 11:03 AM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
I would rather keep Bridgewater and Hill and not pay Brees than to draft Tua. Overrated in my book.

NOLA54 02-08-2020 12:00 PM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
Draft him for which position?

CHA_CHING 02-08-2020 01:18 PM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
Tua is going to either be a bust or a poor man's Watson.

shawnkytonk 02-08-2020 02:27 PM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
He will go top 5. He's not dropping, and if he did, I want no part.

rezburna 02-08-2020 03:50 PM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
I want somebody a little faster. He’s mobile but he’s not fast.

AsylumGuido 02-08-2020 04:28 PM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 879527)
I want somebody a little faster. He’s mobile but he’s not fast.
And I'm concerned that the injury may hamper his mobility.

st thomas 02-08-2020 04:38 PM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
I would pass on him . fragile damaged goods. Keep Brees 2 more years


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jeanpierre 02-08-2020 11:57 PM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 879514)
I would rather keep Bridgewater and Hill and not pay Brees than to draft Tua. Overrated in my book.
May want to review our current cap situation, it would be advantageous to bring Brees for a number of reasons...

With regards to the cap, reworking the numbers would spread the borrowed cap money from previous years out longer so the team can be viable in Free Agency...

Then there's the fact that admittedly his long range bomb (arm strength) is no longer there, he's still a Top 5 quarterback in the league...

And yes, I still support and like the idea of transitioning to Taysom Hill this season as well...

jeanpierre 02-09-2020 12:00 AM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
This article offers insights and more leads to educate oneself on the Tua injury...

CHA_CHING 02-09-2020 06:28 AM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 879551)
May want to review our current cap situation, it would be advantageous to bring Brees for a number of reasons...

With regards to the cap, reworking the numbers would spread the borrowed cap money from previous years out longer so the team can be viable in Free Agency...

Then there's the fact that admittedly his long range bomb (arm strength) is no longer there, he's still a Top 5 quarterback in the league...

And yes, I still support and like the idea of transitioning to Taysom Hill this season as well...
I'm pretty sure if Brees returns, we're probably going to overpay him and that will be another cap problem for us.

That is my current nightmare with the Saints. Letting Bridgewater walk, then overpaying Brees and yet another year of an offense that can easily be shut down by taking MT and Kamara out of the equation and blitzing Brees.

halloween 65 02-09-2020 07:09 AM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 879551)
May want to review our current cap situation, it would be advantageous to bring Brees for a number of reasons...

With regards to the cap, reworking the numbers would spread the borrowed cap money from previous years out longer so the team can be viable in Free Agency...

Then there's the fact that admittedly his long range bomb (arm strength) is no longer there, he's still a Top 5 quarterback in the league...

And yes, I still support and like the idea of transitioning to Taysom Hill this season as well...
I know Brees will be back this season, but drafting Tua to be his successor would be a mistake. I also think Bridgewater will be the odd man out this season, he does just enough to be a good but not quite great qb and I can't fault his style of play one bit. The wildcard here is Hill if Tua would get drafted, he may decide to play else where losing him. So if I had to pick between keeping Brees and drafting Tua as his successor or keeping Bridgewater and Hill cap charge or not Bridgewater and Hill would be a better choice in my book. We're going to have to pay either way Brees want be cheap, Tua rookie contract, Bridgewater might be had for mid range starter money, Hill may want mid range starter money also. Got to see how this one shakes out?

AsylumGuido 02-09-2020 07:16 AM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CHA_CHING (Post 879556)
I'm pretty sure if Brees returns, we're probably going to overpay him and that will be another cap problem for us.

That is my current nightmare with the Saints. Letting Bridgewater walk, then overpaying Brees and yet another year of an offense that can easily be shut down by taking MT and Kamara out of the equation and blitzing Brees.
I agree with JP that Brees is definitely still a top five QB in the league today. What would you consider "overpaying"?

gulfgambler 02-09-2020 07:43 AM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
Not in 1st round. Bad ankles and reconstructed hip.

Crusader 02-09-2020 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by gulfgambler (Post 879560)
Not in 1st round. Bad ankles and reconstructed hip.
And also, Alabama isn't know to churn out top-flight NFL Quarterbacks.

Rugby Saint II 02-09-2020 11:18 AM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 879561)
And also, Alabama isn't know to churn out top-flight NFL Quarterbacks.
:moon:

voodooido 02-09-2020 11:42 AM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
If brees retires, which he won’t, I would give hill a shot but draft a qb if the right one is there. Tua is not the right one.

jeanpierre 02-09-2020 12:40 PM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CHA_CHING (Post 879556)
I'm pretty sure if Brees returns, we're probably going to overpay him and that will be another cap problem for us.

That is my current nightmare with the Saints. Letting Bridgewater walk, then overpaying Brees and yet another year of an offense that can easily be shut down by taking MT and Kamara out of the equation and blitzing Brees.
Two things, first, look at Brees' QBR, still Top 3 QBR; and though I'd concede he's not the QB he was five years ago, he's still very much an elite-producing QB, so it would be copasetic if he's an avg Top 5 pay...

Second, look at Brees' contract recent seasons, he's actually been signing to the proverbial "home-town" discount (production to pay), so unless he and agent demand to be highest paid QB, let's just breathe...

Look, it's time to start transitioning to the next Quarterback, I'd be the first to admit that point...

That said, not reworking his cap number, which can only be done with an extension, we're not going to be able to address pressing needs at LG, WR, DB in Free Agency - we'll still have roster holes...

Not addressing those deficiencies, we'll be another quick out in the playoffs, there's no way Brees' contract is not getting re-worked from the Saints/Team Perspective to have a viable, competitive roster...

jeanpierre 02-09-2020 12:46 PM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 879561)
And also, Alabama isn't know to churn out top-flight NFL Quarterbacks.
Well, not in the Saban years; but Bart Starr, Joe Namath, Ken Stabler are not a bad pedigree either...

AsylumGuido 02-09-2020 12:50 PM
Re: What if the Saints Drafted Tua?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 879572)
Two things, first, look at Brees' QBR, still Top 3 QBR; and though I'd concede he's not the QB he was five years ago, he's still very much an elite-producing QB, so it would be copasetic if he's an avg Top 5 pay...

Second, look at Brees' contract recent seasons, he's actually been signing to the proverbial "home-town" discount (production to pay), so unless he and agent demand to be highest paid QB, let's just breathe...

Look, it's time to start transitioning to the next Quarterback, I'd be the first to admit that point...

That said, not reworking his cap number, which can only be done with an extension, we're not going to be able to address pressing needs at LG, WR, DB in Free Agency - we'll still have roster holes...

Not addressing those deficiencies, we'll be another quick out in the playoffs, there's no way Brees' contract is not getting re-worked from the Saints/Team Perspective to have a viable, competitive roster...
That's EXACTLY why I asked him what he considers "overpaying". I'm betting the figure he had in mind would actually be underpaying based upon Brees' value.


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