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The New Orleans Saints return last years dominant offensive line again. Rate your O-Line players and tell us what you do or don't like about each starter or back-up. I'll start.

1) Ram. No explanation needed. Future All Pro left tackle?

2) McCoy. He was a great rookie but he has room to grow. I'll be glad when he takes over the line calls.

3) Armstead. He's a stud when healthy and will miss games but he's a dominant left tackle.

4) Warford. Waste of space last year. No wonder we didn't extend his contract.

5) Peat. He spends more time on his seat than his feet and I'm hoping he is trade bait.

Personally, I hope that we draft a nasty interior player from a small school who develops.

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See the rams, falcons, and vikings game.

We need help inside. That's Drew's place to step up. Cant do it because someone is always getting their ass handed to them. Most noticeably Peat

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True Dat spkb25! :bng: When I first saw him at training camp his rookie year I thought of the Pillsbury dough boy. He was by far the sloppiest looking player at camp that year.

At camp I sit right in front of the O-Line because Drew is right there. I don't understand the conceptual thinking of an O-lineman. I can only judge them by my own eyes and Peat has never looked good to me.

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We used to have bad ass guards. Time to get back to that.

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Why pay Peat $$$ - the guy is awful - save it on Ram’s new contract

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Our vaunted O line seems to get blown up in the post season. Maybe I was wrong in thinking how good they are. I'm speaking specifically at the GUARD positions.

Playoff games are won and lost in the trenches. Our line seems to get manhandled in the post season.

Our OL needs a serious shift in culture.

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A good o-line doesn't get bad in the post season, they get injured.

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Maybe he promised to NOT eat any Popeyes Sammiches?!?

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Something that needs to be taken into consideration on Peat's conditioning coming into the 2018 season. Do not forget that he suffered a broken leg and a high ankle sprain in the playoff game earlier that year. That basically means no cardio training during the off-season. Then the broken arm and hand on two fluke plays affected his abilities during the 2019-2020 postseason.

He was actually quite good when healthy. It is impossible to defend against broken bones in the trenches.

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I think this could be Warford's last season in New Orleans. He hasn't been a complete liability in pass protection but there were a couple of games where I thought he'd get our QB killed. Hopefully we target another GUARD in the upcoming draft. There is a Carl Nicks out there. Gotta get stronger, nastier. Post season is a completely different animal.

Solid depth is the name of the game.

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Better than most, not as good as some.

Injury history concerns me as does lack of depth.

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FWIW, I thought in a "back up" role, Nick Easton performed well when Peat was out due to injury. He rarely holds, no false starts and minimum pressure on #9 in a relief role.

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Yeah but the rams game and Falcons game preceded the Vikings contest which was a carbon copy.

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I hope you're right, but with that many I juries what are we signing him for? Anzalone was known as j jury prone coming out of college and people here were like awww that this and it was that. He's been hurt every season.

I honestly cant remember if that was a concern for Rankins but he cant stay healthy either.

I agree you cant fault guys for being injured, but you dont keep signing dudes that are constantly Injured, in my humble opinion.

Look, not one dude on this board doesnt hope he balls out. And nothing we can do other than that since he is signed, but guys here have a right to be apprehensive and think it wont work. And the worst question is what do we do when it doesnt?

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IMO Ryan Ramz will become the next Willie Roaf.

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I would be far more concerned if Peat's injuries were soft tissue related. The leg resulted from being rolled up on. That can happen to any lineman at any time. The hand was broken when crushed between two helmets. Freak occurrence. The forearm was also a helmet impact. He could go ten years without having any of those circumstances arise again. Anzalone and Armstead have been experiencing more troubling types of injuries.

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Think its fair to say the Saints won that Cooks trade.

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I hope the Saints didn't overrate Peat and sign him to that deal because he somehow made the pro bowl.

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I did too until I read that Payton changed his blocking assignments and doubled or chipped with him to help him out.

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My reply was specific to K Majors post and not player specific. A line doesn't get bad in week 16 they get vulnerable at a specific position due to injury and the closer that injury is to the center of the line the more vulnerable the run game and QB become.

Unless you have played offensive line you think its 5 men playing the guy across from them and it isn't. There are no 1 on 1 battles pre-snap because as an o-lineman you don't know who, how many, or from where you are about to get hit. As soon as you go white knuckle on the guy across from you, you get a face full of dirt from a swim move or side step.

We tend to see a defensive player hit a QB and immediately blame the guy across from him for not blocking him... Guards specifically pull and trap and if the Tackle or Center do not make the necessary adjustment the guy across from the guard has open field at the QB.

I played line, every position on both sides of the ball. Having the best 5 players at their line position doesn't mean you have a good line. A good offensive line is ALL about cohesion... its not about a fast Center, its all 5 moving at the same speed... It isnt all about being able to block the guy in front of you, its more important to be able to know when the guy on the side of you is getting double teamed and giving assistance. Everyone's knee jerk is to start looking for different players, we dont need different players, we need what we have to play cohesively.

Everyone calls them dumb linemen.... its most of the people watching them that are clueless.

I am in no way taking up for Pete, go back to week 1 against the Texans I said he was out of shape and dragging azz. Frankly there is zero excuse for out of shape. I do remember not seeing him in any pre-season games, he may have not been healthy or just a case of the fatass all season.

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I'm hoping we go for a big ugly early to provide depth to a good line when healthy. Think we re-sign Omameh?

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Terron Armstead, LT - 88
Andrus Peat, LG - 67
Erick McCoy, C - 80
Larry Warford, RG - 78
Ryan Ramczyk, RT - 92

This grades out to an 81/B-. Obviously, we’re weak in the middle. I think we’ll see a huge improvement out of McCoy. Warford will be about the same. If Peat can just be average instead of sub par we can be a lot better of a unit.

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If healthy I think we have the best in the league. TA imo is the weak link because of health issues. We also have backups that could start on half the teams in Clapp and Easton.

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That is false.

Terron is worth the hassle despite his injuries. He may play hurt but he's still an elite LT when he does. You can count his bad games on one hand.

Meanwhile when Peat plays hurt, he gets steam rolled by linebackers & DT's. He's nothing more than an average guard whose value is playing multiple positions.

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It is insane to rate Peat a 67 and Warford a 78. Both are easily as good as TA considering he only plays half of a season.

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So TA playing 71 out of a total 112 games (not counting playoffs) is not concerning to you? Peat has missed a few himself but playing in 60 in 80 is better than TA missing 41 games. Peat would need to appear in 180 games to equal the missed games of TA.

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TA injuries have been aggravating over the years but he is who he is. Sean Payton knows and values his ability (mostly elite) @ LT as well as protecting #9's blindside.

Can we say that about Peat?

This is just me but I'm not sure why our coaches kept trying to make Peat happen. Look no further than the Vikings wildcard game of 2019. When Peat went out and Easton came in for a few plays, the Oline improved significantly. The stubbornness in letting Peat back in to play contributed to taking that L when everything was on the line.

Peat is the weak link on the Oline 2 years running.

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PFF has Armstead as a solid 80. When he’s on the field, he produces. Nothing weak about his game. Peat on the other hand, has been giving up at least 3 sacks a season his entire career. Warford is solid. Is he Nicks or Evans? Nah...but he’s cool. Armstead is easily our 2nd best lineman. Possibly our best when truly healthy. His grades reflect that.

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I judge them by 3 games, Falcons, rams, vikings. Poop

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Too funny spkb25! :roflmao: