IF Tua falls....
 

What if Tua falls out of the top 10? Top 15?

Are you moving up? Waiting? Think he'll slide farther?

Would you even draft him at 24?

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I don't think he will get out of the top 5 but if he did I would jump all over it. We almost wouldn't have a choice.

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All I will say, we got no private workout. Payton would be taking a gamble.

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No. Not a believer before the injury. When's the last time an Alabama QB was relevant in the NFL?

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He won't. Even if he did, that's a big gamble and would require additional picks.

I'd rather not.

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If Tua falls, get out of the way.

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#CheckTheWonderlic

That scares me more.

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I don't put any stock in the Wonderlic. I look at it as an excuse not to draft someone. It's like the closer the draft gets, the more GMs need a reason not to draft someone. This gives them an out... "We didn't like his Wonderlic score."

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Jake Fromm - 35 (outstanding) .. too bad that won't raise his draft stock on Thursday. Jameis Winston scored an impressive 27 yet he has trouble processing (30 int's) information at the elite level.

IIRC Lamar Jackson scored a 13 (same as Tua) and was the league MVP last year at QB.

The wonderlic isn't exactly a predictor of success.

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I could see your point if the score was average, but Tua was only able to manage a 13! That sucks. Especially for a position that requires quick analytical skills in an offense as complex as Payton's ... and most others in the league these days.

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Lamar Jackson, you'd have to admit, is not your prototypical NFL QB. He is basically a RB playing in a fulltime wildcat role. He is not asked to process complex offensive schemes. He simply reacts to what he sees physically in an RPO 90% of the time. How successful that is going to be in the long term is questionable. It certainly didn't get them far in the postseason.

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Interesting side note ... tied for the third highest Wonderlic score in NFL history is former Saints TE, Ben Watson, with a 48 out of the maximum 50. The rest of the top five were ...

T-3 - 48 - Ryan Fitzpatrick - QB
T-3 - 48 - Kevin Curtis - WR
2 - 49 - Mike Mamula - DE
1 - 50 - Pat McInally - Punter (only perfect score ever)

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What was the Saints excuse in 2019 post season ?

As for Lamar, he had over 3k yards passing last season. I'd say he's more than just a wildcat QB.

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If he falls then we should be looking for trade partners. Payton has said that this is not the year to gamble on injuries. If no trades are available then we should go BPA at a position of need.

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You know the Saints excuse. Half the starting defensive line went down. Lost two starters from the LB corps. Peat playing hurt at LG. Kamara still gimpy from the ankle.

Jackson had a huge statistical game yards wise, but he had a ****ty 63.2 passer rating, threw two picks and was sacked four times. He was in over his head. All he did was throw the ball up 51 times and run (because he is a RB) for 143 yards. Oh, and he also fumbled.

He couldn't produce a TD until the 4th quarter when the Titans were in the prevent defense. It was 28-6 at the time and he missed the two point attempt on that play.

He will never sniff another MVP.

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^^^ same excuses …

Back on topic. Saints should pass on Tua.

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Duh! ;)

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The wonderlic makes me laugh. Always brought up with QB that fail, the players with great scores that are useless it's never mentioned

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I am just not a fan.

I think we'd be better off snagging a player we can play now. We are in the mist of a SB win nor or else. The future be damned.

So I would trade up get a pass rusher or LB who can come in and play. Perhaps even another WR or even an OL.

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Not sold on tua but if hurts is there in the third i would love us to get him.

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Analytical and quick processing are not as important for many positions as others. QB, center and defensive play caller (green dot). are positions where it is critical. Some will argue that TE falls into that category, as well, given they actually play so many multiple positions depending upon the play call ... TE, RB, FB, o-line, slot, wideout, etc.

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Yes sir.

Outside of Burrow, I'm not all that impressed with the media darlings ... Love, Easton, Hebert, Fromm etc.

If Jalen slides to the third ... excellent value.

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WPT-R measures cognitive capacity, not physicality, athleticism, or motivation. It is a piece of a puzzle not a litmus paper. It does not score cognitive proficiency.

The puzzle isn't just the position, a higher wonderlic should correlate to more of an ability to sort **** out on the field if the coach is a dipsh1t.

Its not a Go-Nogo test, but it isn't worthless either. It is a tool, one that most people dismiss because they do not understand it.

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The scores should have remained confidential, yet every year they conveniently leak a week or so before draft day.

BTW, an updated wonderlic score for Tua was 19 and Jalen Hurts 21.

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JP ~ WPT-R is an IQ test and there isnt much preperation that a person can do. Also, if you could and did teach someone how to score better on an IQ test, the results would be meaningless. They didn't have the IQ to sort it for themselves.

For what it is worth, if I am about to hire someone for $400k+ a year.. I want them to take the WPT-R, IQ, Color Blind test, Rorscach Test, they may even take the Pepsi Challenge.

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Where do I apply?

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If he falls to 24 take him in a heartbeat. If I were to move up because of a qb slipping it would be for Hebert. He has the skills. Tua has the team around him making him look better than what he really was

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Listen to a podcast the other day and I think it was a PFF analyst saying Herbert is the bust QB. He misses something like 4 or 5 times the open throws the others do. Not drops, bad routes but outright misses his receivers. From what I've read he will turn the ball over like crazy in the pros.

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I was talking to soneone the other day about the scores.

Don't trust them at all.

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He won't fall to the Saints. The best possible outcome in the draft for Tua and the Saints would be if he did. Tua could sit a year. The Saints would have an All-Pro for the next 15 years. I wish the Saints would pull a Davenport type deal to draft DT Brown myself.

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If he falls to 24 he is BPA.
The Saints will draft BPA.
I don't see what is the debate. Moving up to get him... I am not in favor of.

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This is more unlikely to happen than likely.

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Nawhhh... keep them open to the public. It is after all our dollars funding their soon to be lavish lifestyles. If the kids can't deal with this smallish issue, they're not good enough material. Besides, we need something to banter about during the off-season.