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hitta 04-18-2020 08:21 AM

How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
This is a question I think about a lot. The biggest weakness he's always had as been that he was susceptible to inside pressure disrupting his vision. I think he's the best pure passer to ever live by far(I also think he should be in consideration for GOAT, but the media will never give him his credit). With a few inches of height though on him, I think he would have been an unstoppable force of nature.

stickman 04-18-2020 08:26 AM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
For the sake of debate.... I respectfully disagree. I think it made him work harder and adjust his game to fit his abilities.

hitta 04-18-2020 10:06 PM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 885521)
For the sake of debate.... I respectfully disagree. I think it made him work harder and adjust his game to fit his abilities.

Eh you can say that, and there is probably some truth to that, but for the sake of debate.. imagine if he was taller and had the same work ethic. I think a lot of teams that we had trouble with over the years with inside pressure wouldn't have had the same sort of success.

jeanpierre 04-18-2020 11:11 PM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 885521)
For the sake of debate.... I respectfully disagree. I think it made him work harder and adjust his game to fit his abilities.

Plus one. Brees's physical limitations put him in a frame of mind that he had to out-work the competition, he's mentions this - his work ethic is what sets him apart...

Beastmode 04-19-2020 12:36 AM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
Billy Joe Hobert was 6'3. Doug Flutie was 5'9". Also a PB NFL QB.
There was a reason Ditka was trying to get Flutie; WORK ETHIC.

Being tall doesn't mean a hell of a lot without it. Can't coach it, can't teach it. If Brees was 6'5" though I doubt it changes much. What hurt Brees was perpetual abysmal defense as far as championships go. I can't even count the times Brady was bailed out by the defense. Last year, pretty much the entire season.

hitta 04-19-2020 05:13 AM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
I agree entirely that his work ethic is what defines him. There have been so many games though where Brees has had the middle of the line pushed back in his face or they reroute the DEs back through the middle, and it has really affected him. It's pretty much been his only weakness. When Brees has pressure in his face he's force to check down to the outside, whereas a taller QB can check down easier over the middle. It's one of the reasons Brees and Graham were so well together, cause he gave him an out for internal pressure. He could throw the ball up high and JG would go up and get it like a BB player.

Brees has one of the best work ethics I've ever seen in a football player, and perhaps his shortness has played a large role in that occurring. I'm just saying that his size has caused him some issues as well, that I feel like if he was the same exact person and had a few more inches, it would have changed a lot.

Rugby Saint II 04-19-2020 01:58 PM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
He might not have been so evasive at slipping tackles in the box. And who knows? He may be afraid of heights....

If I'd been 4" taller they would have made me play football and I would never had played rugby! I wanted to be taller when I was younger. Now, 5'10" turns out to have been a big man after all! The term my twin brother and I hear all the time is straight out of road house....."I thought you would be bigger." Humbly, we played at an exceptionally high level for 40 years and between the two of us we had quite the rep. We were smaller but we hit harder!

TheOak 04-19-2020 02:19 PM

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What does 4" of height do for someone that is 6' standing behind a 6'5" Line... Nothing.

hitta 04-19-2020 05:34 PM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 885611)
What does 4" of height do for someone that is 6' standing behind a 6'5" Line... Nothing.

Quite a bit as far as vision over the middle and throwing angles. When you are shorter, you have to throw the ball at an upward angle over the line and have it come down to the receiver. When you are taller you don't have to do that as much. It's much easier to do checkdown type passes over the middle(which is something Brady does quite frequently).

Brees does checkdown over the middle when he gets outside pressure. Usually when he does this, he'll step up in the pocket and drop it off. When he gets that inside pressure though he's forced to go to the outside. Other QBs that are taller could still drop it off over the middle. Play designs are probably even changed a bit because of that, as a lot of the time they make sure they have some sort of outside drop off for him. We have quite a few plays where he'll throw to the outside RB or something and they'll be tackled for a loss. Teams probably even get to the point where they expect it. I've seen people actually complain about it on here during games. They'll be like "what are we doing, what is this playcalling blah blah". A lot of times it's not the playcalling, it's the inside pressure that's forcing Brees to dump it off.

neugey 04-19-2020 05:46 PM

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vpheughan 04-20-2020 09:09 AM

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'COULDA, WOULDA. SHOULDA AND WHAT IF"

THE FOUR HORSEMAN OF THE B&G!!!

Lord_Saint83 04-20-2020 09:46 AM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
I think the big if is not height but a tad more arm strength

ScottF 04-20-2020 12:48 PM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
what if he was 4" shorter?

hitta 04-21-2020 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 885667)
what if he was 4" shorter?

Then he would have never played QB.

skymike 04-21-2020 06:29 AM

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If he were taller, things would come easier, and he wouldnt have worked and studied as hard, and he'd be Ryan Leaf.

Drew is super freaky smart BECAUSE he's "short."

the most important tool a QB has is his mind. Therefore, being short is an asset, since it helped make him this smart.

no thanks.

I like my Drew short and smart.

Best QB in Football.

Budsdrinker 04-21-2020 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 885680)
If he were taller, things would come easier, and he wouldnt have worked and studied as hard, and he'd be Ryan Leaf.

Drew is super freaky smart BECAUSE he's "short."

the most important tool a QB has is his mind. Therefore, being short is an asset, since it helped make him this smart.

no thanks.

I like my Drew short and smart.

Best QB in Football.

But he is tall, Next to you!:D

TheOak 04-21-2020 02:56 PM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 885667)
what if he was 4" shorter?

Sproles would still look up to him.

Halo 04-21-2020 06:37 PM

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The real question is, how good would he be if he was only 4 inches tall??

saintfan 04-21-2020 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 885751)
The real question is, how good would he be if he was only 4 inches tall??


hitta 04-21-2020 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 885751)
The real question is, how good would he be if he was only 4 inches tall??

If he could carry the football, possibly really good, up until the point he dies of being crushed. That wouldn't take long.

Rugby Saint II 04-22-2020 01:40 PM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
Who knows...he may have had a better view of the field and been a better player. What if he was 5'10"? Like some of the QB's in this draft who aren't towering giants.

skymike 04-23-2020 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 885707)
But he is tall, Next to you!:D

LOL!
hey, you shoulda seen me next to Zach Strief.

AsylumGuido 04-23-2020 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 886442)
LOL!
hey, you shoulda seen me next to Zach Strief.

Here's my wife and I with Zach. I'm almost six foot.

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net...84&oe=5EC9C9BC

Beastmode 04-24-2020 09:45 AM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
Liberace was a fine piano player. Ask anyone though if they would rather listen to him or Stevie Wonder and the answer would be overwhelming: Stevie. And get this. He can't see jack !@#$. Blind as a bat.



skymike 05-23-2020 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 886603)
Liberace was a fine piano player. Ask anyone though if they would rather listen to him or Stevie Wonder and the answer would be overwhelming: Stevie. And get this. He can't see jack !@#$. Blind as a bat.


https://youtu.be/9Vjj6J7gXpY

outstanding post

AsylumGuido 05-24-2020 06:47 AM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 886603)
Liberace was a fine piano player. Ask anyone though if they would rather listen to him or Stevie Wonder and the answer would be overwhelming: Stevie. And get this. He can't see jack !@#$. Blind as a bat.


https://youtu.be/9Vjj6J7gXpY

On the other hand, I would take Billy Joel over Stevie Wonder in a minute ... and he's only 5'5"!

TheOak 05-24-2020 09:22 AM

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Liberace played the piano very well but sucked on the organ.

AsylumGuido 05-24-2020 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 889485)
Liberace played the piano very well but sucked on the organ.

*rimshot*

vpheughan 05-25-2020 08:33 AM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 889491)
*rimshot*


IN YOUR OWN WORDS:
"What's that have to do with the topic?" " Can't you ever be SIRIUS?" :rofl: :rofl:

hitta 05-25-2020 09:09 AM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
Yea, I want to see someone that's blind play some incredibly hard piece of music like Beethoven's Moonlight sonata movement 3 or Liszt's La Campanella. They'd end up breaking fingers. There may be one person in the world that can do that (Nobuyuki Tsujii).

AsylumGuido 05-25-2020 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 889513)

IN YOUR OWN WORDS:
"What's that have to do with the topic?" " Can't you ever be SIRIUS?" :rofl: :rofl:

What is with the "sirius" **** all the time? I don't understand the context? Then again, very little of what you post makes any sense, so there's that.

:confused:

The Dude 05-25-2020 10:28 AM

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Not any better than he would have been with a half way serviceable defense.

AsylumGuido 05-25-2020 12:26 PM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 889518)
Not any better than he would have been with a half way serviceable defense.

This is true.

vpheughan 05-26-2020 06:58 AM

Re: How good would Brees have been if he was 4 inches taller?
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 889515)
What is with the "sirius" **** all the time? I don't understand the context? Then again, very little of what you post makes any sense, so there's that.

:confused:

Okay Mr. Do As I Say, Not As I DO

SIRIUS is not so SUBTLE word play for the OBVIOUS "SERIOUS" of which I've been accused of rarely being.

Used in reference to "SIRISU XM"
(keeper of the GOSPLE oft quoted yourself taught by Preachers Jim Miller and Pat Kirwan from "MOVING THE CHAINS") The show where one host actually dared play "DEVILS ADVOCATE" Remember your: "Consider your audience!!" :rofl: :rofl:

Didn't realize aiming so low would GO OVER YOUR HEAD! Easy to see why you are IN YOUR YOUR OWN WORDS: :confused:

NUNC INTELLEGITE?

ADDIO!!

AsylumGuido 05-26-2020 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 889531)
Okay Mr. Do As I Say, Not As I DO

SIRIUS is not so SUBTLE word play for the OBVIOUS "SERIOUS" of which I've been accused of rarely being.

Used in reference to "SIRISU XM"
(keeper of the GOSPLE oft quoted yourself taught by Preachers Jim Miller and Pat Kirwan from "MOVING THE CHAINS") The show where one host actually dared play "DEVILS ADVOCATE" Remember your: "Consider your audience!!" :rofl: :rofl:

Didn't realize aiming so low would GO OVER YOUR HEAD! Easy to see why you are IN YOUR YOUR OWN WORDS: :confused:

NUNC INTELLEGITE?

ADDIO!!

Never listened to Sirius. I'm been an account holder with XM for 25 years, however. You might want to tune in. You might learn something.

Oh, and don't forget your meds. You appear to be needing them.

:rolleyes:

Oh, and it is the Gospel according to Miller and Kirwan. Just saying. ;)


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