Saints Draft Days Official Thread

AsylumGuido · 04-25-2020, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Your 100% correct when you say you see Baun as a 3-4 jack, that is exactly how I see him, I really hope this isn't a square peg in a round hole pick.

Given that there is really no such thing as a true 4-3 or 3-4 any longer all pegs are more interchangeable. Let's hope Dennis plays everyone to their strengths.

Lord_Saint83 · 04-25-2020, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Your 100% correct when you say you see Baun as a 3-4 jack, that is exactly how I see him, I really hope this isn't a square peg in a round hole pick.

Im sure with them moving up to get Baun they have a vision for him in that defense. I think they've learned from years prior. Trautman like some one said last night is reminiscing of a old school 50/50 tight end. Im not thrilled about him but im not pissed either.

jeanpierre · 04-25-2020, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

Im sure with them moving up to get Baun they have a vision for him in that defense. I think they've learned from years prior. Trautman like some one said last night is reminiscing of a old school 50/50 tight end. Im not thrilled about him but im not pissed either.

Payton, Ireland, or Dennis Allen?

AsylumGuido · 04-25-2020, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Payton, Ireland, or Dennis Allen?

According to Baun himself, Saints LB coach Michael Hodges, already has plans for Zach in the scheme. He said in an interview that he just got off the phone with Hodges and was told that.

jeanpierre · 04-25-2020, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Athletically, Graham was faster (4.5 sec vs 4.8 sec), had longer arms, reach (35 in v 32 in), and larger hands (10.625 in vs 9.2 in) than Dayton Flyer Adam Trautman...

Make no mistake - physically, Trautman is a beast in his own right with maybe Notre Dame's Cole Kmet and Stanford's Colby Parkinson only notable talent being bigger...

Personally, in today's NFL, wouldn't want TE's that aren't at least 6' 5" with good arm length so they can post-up in the Red Zone are on 3rd downs...

But I guess what bothers me is that Belichick (or was it his dog Nike?) took two (2) TEs before Trautman; and then Payton spent four picks on Trautman...

And if Logan Wilson was so prized as is suggested, why didn't we spend four picks to get Wilson who'd be a better fit in our defense as a true MIKE?

Now, as said earlier, in an exchange with Chris, I like Baun and most players from the Wisconsin program (especially offensive line), but Baun is a 3-4 JACK, not a 4-3 SAM...

And from what I saw watching Wisconsin (also Iowa games) Baun was exposed in coverage when matched up against obvious NFL talent...

Maybe consider we're gonna start playing some 3-4 based on matchups; Baun will allow us to do that with some combination of Davis-Alonso-Anzalone-Baun/Hendrickson?

Only problem with that theory is D.A., who's cognitive ability seems limited to running his 4-3 system, and is unable/unwilling to build with what he's given...

Back to Trautman - this is where I broke with many models thought he should have been drafted considering the level of his competition where he was rarely, if ever, challenged...

But four (4) picks? Just feel Ireland could have found younger players that would have allowed us to get that roster age mean lower and some valuable cap relief, wiggle room...

No, not many rookies are gonna make this roster, but I personally believe that's something the team needs to fight - complacency - when this team needs a fire lit under its arse...

Hate quoting myself, but wanted to highlight something in what I posted, and just to show that I'm open-minded...

Baun may allow us to alter our defense week to week (or playoff to playoff game) based on match-ups - the only problem with that theory is the cognitive abilities of Dennis Allen...

vpheughan · 04-25-2020, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Hate quoting myself, but wanted to highlight something in what I posted, and just to show that I'm open-minded...

Baun may allow us to alter our defense week to week (or playoff to playoff game) based on match-ups - the only problem with that theory is the cognitive abilities of Dennis Allen...

Hate quoting myself

AHHHH! JP BITC*IN BOUT DRAFT PICKS!! LEADING THE "COULDA,WOULDA SHOULDA AND WHAT IF" CHANT!!!

LIKE THE FINAL SCENE IN THE "MUSIC MAN" "PROFESSOR HAROLD "JP" HILL" LEADING THE B&G BAND IN A ROUSING CHORUS OF "76 DRAFT CHOICES"

"ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL"................

ChrisXVI · 04-25-2020, 08:09 AM

spkb25 · 04-25-2020, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

https://twitter.com/bylukejohnson/st...98976333627397

oh yay.

jeanpierre · 04-25-2020, 08:15 AM

First, Larry Holder is an idiot who writes what Greg Bensel tells him to write, second, yes if you're following the Jimmy Johnson trade chart we look golden...

But the Johnson chart is out-dated and fails, in a number of areas, to compensate on the value of having multiple picks and increasing odds of spreading talent across our roster...

I'd remind everyone that this team turn things around when we had a truckload of picks in 2017 and Payton gave up some of the decision making to Jeff Ireland...

spkb25 · 04-25-2020, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

First, Larry Holder is an idiot who writes what Greg Bensel tells him to write, second, yes if you're following the Jimmy Johnson trade chart we look golden...

But the Johnson chart is out-dated and fails to compensate on the value of having multiple picks and increasing odds of spreading talent across our roster...

I'd remind everyone that this team turn things around when we had a truckload of picks in 2017 and Payton gave up some of the decision making to Jeff Ireland...

hey hey, I likke Larry... most of the time

04-25-2020, 08:33 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,768	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by halloween 65 Your 100% correct when you say you see Baun as a 3-4 jack, that is exactly how I see him, I really hope this isn't a square peg in a round hole pick. Given that there is really no such thing as a true 4-3 or 3-4 any longer all pegs are more interchangeable. Let's hope Dennis plays everyone to their strengths.

04-25-2020, 08:36 AM	#2
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by halloween 65 Your 100% correct when you say you see Baun as a 3-4 jack, that is exactly how I see him, I really hope this isn't a square peg in a round hole pick. Im sure with them moving up to get Baun they have a vision for him in that defense. I think they've learned from years prior. Trautman like some one said last night is reminiscing of a old school 50/50 tight end. Im not thrilled about him but im not pissed either.

04-25-2020, 08:46 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 Im sure with them moving up to get Baun they have a vision for him in that defense. I think they've learned from years prior. Trautman like some one said last night is reminiscing of a old school 50/50 tight end. Im not thrilled about him but im not pissed either. Payton, Ireland, or Dennis Allen?

04-25-2020, 08:49 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,768	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by jeanpierre Payton, Ireland, or Dennis Allen? According to Baun himself, Saints LB coach Michael Hodges, already has plans for Zach in the scheme. He said in an interview that he just got off the phone with Hodges and was told that.

04-25-2020, 08:52 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by jeanpierre Athletically, Graham was faster (4.5 sec vs 4.8 sec), had longer arms, reach (35 in v 32 in), and larger hands (10.625 in vs 9.2 in) than Dayton Flyer Adam Trautman... Make no mistake - physically, Trautman is a beast in his own right with maybe Notre Dame's Cole Kmet and Stanford's Colby Parkinson only notable talent being bigger... Personally, in today's NFL, wouldn't want TE's that aren't at least 6' 5" with good arm length so they can post-up in the Red Zone are on 3rd downs... But I guess what bothers me is that Belichick (or was it his dog Nike?) took two (2) TEs before Trautman; and then Payton spent four picks on Trautman... And if Logan Wilson was so prized as is suggested, why didn't we spend four picks to get Wilson who'd be a better fit in our defense as a true MIKE? Now, as said earlier, in an exchange with Chris, I like Baun and most players from the Wisconsin program (especially offensive line), but Baun is a 3-4 JACK, not a 4-3 SAM... And from what I saw watching Wisconsin (also Iowa games) Baun was exposed in coverage when matched up against obvious NFL talent... Maybe consider we're gonna start playing some 3-4 based on matchups; Baun will allow us to do that with some combination of Davis-Alonso-Anzalone-Baun/Hendrickson? Only problem with that theory is D.A., who's cognitive ability seems limited to running his 4-3 system, and is unable/unwilling to build with what he's given... Back to Trautman - this is where I broke with many models thought he should have been drafted considering the level of his competition where he was rarely, if ever, challenged... But four (4) picks? Just feel Ireland could have found younger players that would have allowed us to get that roster age mean lower and some valuable cap relief, wiggle room... No, not many rookies are gonna make this roster, but I personally believe that's something the team needs to fight - complacency - when this team needs a fire lit under its arse... Hate quoting myself, but wanted to highlight something in what I posted, and just to show that I'm open-minded... Baun may allow us to alter our defense week to week (or playoff to playoff game) based on match-ups - the only problem with that theory is the cognitive abilities of Dennis Allen...

04-25-2020, 09:10 AM	#6
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,562	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by jeanpierre Hate quoting myself, but wanted to highlight something in what I posted, and just to show that I'm open-minded... Baun may allow us to alter our defense week to week (or playoff to playoff game) based on match-ups - the only problem with that theory is the cognitive abilities of Dennis Allen... Hate quoting myself AHHHH! JP BITC*IN BOUT DRAFT PICKS!! LEADING THE "COULDA,WOULDA SHOULDA AND WHAT IF" CHANT!!! LIKE THE FINAL SCENE IN THE "MUSIC MAN" "PROFESSOR HAROLD "JP" HILL" LEADING THE B&G BAND IN A ROUSING CHORUS OF "76 DRAFT CHOICES" "ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL"................
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04-25-2020, 08:09 AM	#7
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04-25-2020, 08:11 AM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by ChrisXVI https://twitter.com/bylukejohnson/st...98976333627397 oh yay.

04-25-2020, 08:15 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread First, Larry Holder is an idiot who writes what Greg Bensel tells him to write, second, yes if you're following the Jimmy Johnson trade chart we look golden... But the Johnson chart is out-dated and fails, in a number of areas, to compensate on the value of having multiple picks and increasing odds of spreading talent across our roster... I'd remind everyone that this team turn things around when we had a truckload of picks in 2017 and Payton gave up some of the decision making to Jeff Ireland...