Saints Draft Days Official Thread

AsylumGuido · 04-25-2020, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Trautman can catch but he was like 12 feet taller than anyone else in the field. There will be a learning process in the NFL. I'm sure he will contribute the first year but the speed of the game takes time even for div.1 powerhouses. Probably year 2 will start coming into his own. But he isn't going to be our number 1 option this year at TE anyway and that will help him too

Not according to The Dude. Supposedly he remains inactive all year. Oh, and Emmanuel Sanders will play 12 or fewer games and be lackluster.

You know he knows what he's talking about, right?

FinSaint · 04-25-2020, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Trautman can catch but he was like 12 feet taller than anyone else in the field. There will be a learning process in the NFL. I'm sure he will contribute the first year but the speed of the game takes time even for div.1 powerhouses. Probably year 2 will start coming into his own. But he isn't going to be our number 1 option this year at TE anyway and that will help him too

He didn't have any problems in the Senior Bowl going against all the best talent, so I don't think it's fair to say he looked good only because of weak competition.

He was a QB/CB coming out of HS, so he didn't have much of chance to be recruited highly. He made the transition to TE in week 7 of practice in Dayton - which he had suggested to the coaching staff.

One could say he had to be more determined because he didn't receive any financial assistance in athletics.

Who knows, I'm excited, and I like the draft as a whole.

spkb25 · 04-25-2020, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

He didn't have any problems in the Senior Bowl going against all the best talent, so I don't think it's fair to say he looked good only because of weak competition.

He was a QB/CB coming out of HS, so he didn't have much of chance to be recruited highly. He made the transition to TE in week 7 of practice in Dayton - which he had suggested to the coaching staff.

One could say he had to be more determined because he didn't receive any financial assistance in athletics.

Who knows, I'm excited, and I like the draft as a whole.

But the speed of the game and competition matter bro, let's not pretend it doesn't. Thats just being dishonest. The NFL is every best college player from each team. It is elite of elite. That said Steve MCNAIR did it as a QB from what like Alcorn or some ****. I never said it was only due to the competition but let's not pretend his numbers would not have been impacted had he played at Alabama, let's say. Either way he can ball, let's see what happens. I dont happen to think he will have a problem, but if you're expecting 80 grabs rookie season you're way off. Plus NFL run complex playbooks. If he has 30 to 49 catches with 7 to 10 this that will be a great rookie season

FinSaint · 04-25-2020, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

But the speed of the game and competition matter bro, let's not pretend it doesn't. Thats just being dishonest. The NFL is every best college player from each team. It is elite of elite. That said Steve MCNAIR did it as a QB from what like Alcorn or some ****. I never said it was only due to the competition but let's not pretend his numbers would not have been impacted had he played at Alabama, let's say. Either way he can ball, let's see what happens. I dont happen to think he will have a problem, but if you're expecting 80 grabs rookie season you're way off. Plus NFL run complex playbooks. If he has 30 to 49 catches with 7 to 10 this that will be a great rookie season

Look, I was only stating that the one time he had a chance to go against the best of the best in the Senior Bowl - he was up for the challenge.

Certainly it would would have helped his development if he had gone against the highest level competition week in and week out, not to mention working with staff those programs attract, but it seems like he made the best out of his particular situation.

ChrisXVI · 04-25-2020, 01:53 PM

Surely we can move Warford for a 6th.

AsylumGuido · 04-25-2020, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Surely we can move Warford for a 6th.

If we think he sucks why wouldn't everyone else? Right?

jnormand · 04-25-2020, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If we think he sucks why wouldn't everyone else? Right?

You understand that everyone has their own opinions about players, decisions, etc right?

And people don't have to agree with the FO or you.

Everyone knows that you ALWAYS agree with and defend the staff.

Why can't you just let people have their own opinions without you saying something snarky or demeaning?

AsylumGuido · 04-25-2020, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

You understand that everyone has their own opinions about players, decisions, etc right?

And people don't have to agree with the FO or you.

Everyone knows that you ALWAYS agree with and defend the staff.

Why can't you just let people have their own opinions without you saying something snarky or demeaning?

You got that totally wrong, jnormand. I agree that he needs to go. Explain how that was "snarky or demeaning". I was simply saying that we all pretty much agree that Warford is the weak link and needs to go. Hell, the front office agrees or they wouldn't have made the move for Ruiz. I was pointing out that everyone outside of us and the front office most likely agree, as well.

jnormand · 04-25-2020, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You got that totally wrong, jnormand. I agree that he needs to go. Explain how that was "snarky or demeaning". I was simply saying that we all pretty much agree that Warford is the weak link and needs to go. Hell, the front office agrees or they wouldn't have made the move for Ruiz. I was pointing out that everyone outside of us and the front office most likely agree, as well.

My bad then. I thought you were saying that in a sarcastic way. My mistake.

spkb25 · 04-25-2020, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

You understand that everyone has their own opinions about players, decisions, etc right?

And people don't have to agree with the FO or you.

Everyone knows that you ALWAYS agree with and defend the staff.

Why can't you just let people have their own opinions without you saying something snarky or demeaning?

hey ask Guido to review rankins and ellis numbers and see if they're damn near identical or not?

04-25-2020, 01:53 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,768	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by spkb25 Trautman can catch but he was like 12 feet taller than anyone else in the field. There will be a learning process in the NFL. I'm sure he will contribute the first year but the speed of the game takes time even for div.1 powerhouses. Probably year 2 will start coming into his own. But he isn't going to be our number 1 option this year at TE anyway and that will help him too Not according to The Dude. Supposedly he remains inactive all year. Oh, and Emmanuel Sanders will play 12 or fewer games and be lackluster. You know he knows what he's talking about, right?

04-25-2020, 01:54 PM	#2
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by spkb25 Trautman can catch but he was like 12 feet taller than anyone else in the field. There will be a learning process in the NFL. I'm sure he will contribute the first year but the speed of the game takes time even for div.1 powerhouses. Probably year 2 will start coming into his own. But he isn't going to be our number 1 option this year at TE anyway and that will help him too He didn't have any problems in the Senior Bowl going against all the best talent, so I don't think it's fair to say he looked good only because of weak competition. He was a QB/CB coming out of HS, so he didn't have much of chance to be recruited highly. He made the transition to TE in week 7 of practice in Dayton - which he had suggested to the coaching staff. One could say he had to be more determined because he didn't receive any financial assistance in athletics. Who knows, I'm excited, and I like the draft as a whole.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

04-25-2020, 03:55 PM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by FinSaint He didn't have any problems in the Senior Bowl going against all the best talent, so I don't think it's fair to say he looked good only because of weak competition. He was a QB/CB coming out of HS, so he didn't have much of chance to be recruited highly. He made the transition to TE in week 7 of practice in Dayton - which he had suggested to the coaching staff. One could say he had to be more determined because he didn't receive any financial assistance in athletics. Who knows, I'm excited, and I like the draft as a whole. But the speed of the game and competition matter bro, let's not pretend it doesn't. Thats just being dishonest. The NFL is every best college player from each team. It is elite of elite. That said Steve MCNAIR did it as a QB from what like Alcorn or some ****. I never said it was only due to the competition but let's not pretend his numbers would not have been impacted had he played at Alabama, let's say. Either way he can ball, let's see what happens. I dont happen to think he will have a problem, but if you're expecting 80 grabs rookie season you're way off. Plus NFL run complex playbooks. If he has 30 to 49 catches with 7 to 10 this that will be a great rookie season
	Your team stinks

04-25-2020, 04:06 PM	#4
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by spkb25 But the speed of the game and competition matter bro, let's not pretend it doesn't. Thats just being dishonest. The NFL is every best college player from each team. It is elite of elite. That said Steve MCNAIR did it as a QB from what like Alcorn or some ****. I never said it was only due to the competition but let's not pretend his numbers would not have been impacted had he played at Alabama, let's say. Either way he can ball, let's see what happens. I dont happen to think he will have a problem, but if you're expecting 80 grabs rookie season you're way off. Plus NFL run complex playbooks. If he has 30 to 49 catches with 7 to 10 this that will be a great rookie season Look, I was only stating that the one time he had a chance to go against the best of the best in the Senior Bowl - he was up for the challenge. Certainly it would would have helped his development if he had gone against the highest level competition week in and week out, not to mention working with staff those programs attract, but it seems like he made the best out of his particular situation.

04-25-2020, 01:53 PM	#5
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Surely we can move Warford for a 6th.

04-25-2020, 02:18 PM	#7
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,781	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If we think he sucks why wouldn't everyone else? Right? You understand that everyone has their own opinions about players, decisions, etc right? And people don't have to agree with the FO or you. Everyone knows that you ALWAYS agree with and defend the staff. Why can't you just let people have their own opinions without you saying something snarky or demeaning?

04-25-2020, 02:32 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,768	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by jnormand You understand that everyone has their own opinions about players, decisions, etc right? And people don't have to agree with the FO or you. Everyone knows that you ALWAYS agree with and defend the staff. Why can't you just let people have their own opinions without you saying something snarky or demeaning? You got that totally wrong, jnormand. I agree that he needs to go. Explain how that was "snarky or demeaning". I was simply saying that we all pretty much agree that Warford is the weak link and needs to go. Hell, the front office agrees or they wouldn't have made the move for Ruiz. I was pointing out that everyone outside of us and the front office most likely agree, as well.

04-25-2020, 02:39 PM	#9
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,781	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You got that totally wrong, jnormand. I agree that he needs to go. Explain how that was "snarky or demeaning". I was simply saying that we all pretty much agree that Warford is the weak link and needs to go. Hell, the front office agrees or they wouldn't have made the move for Ruiz. I was pointing out that everyone outside of us and the front office most likely agree, as well. My bad then. I thought you were saying that in a sarcastic way. My mistake.

04-25-2020, 03:57 PM	#10
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Saints Draft Days Official Thread Originally Posted by jnormand You understand that everyone has their own opinions about players, decisions, etc right? And people don't have to agree with the FO or you. Everyone knows that you ALWAYS agree with and defend the staff. Why can't you just let people have their own opinions without you saying something snarky or demeaning? hey ask Guido to review rankins and ellis numbers and see if they're damn near identical or not?