Please Don't

burningmetal · 06-05-2020, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You speak so well that I understood all of that the first time you said it. I replied "I have not disagreed with anything that you or Danno have said and fully understand your points."

If you want to draw a hard line with people that obviously struggle with articulation, then do so.

You aren't listening to them, you didn't listen to me the first time that i said I understood you, and I expect another 4-6 paragraphs waiting for me in the morning saying the same thing but worded differently.

The only thing I ever asked was for us to not let what is going on outside cause destruction inside. You want to argue and be caustic... go at it. I wont get in your angry way.

With all due respect, you just displayed an incredible amount of hypocrisy. You're accusing me of being angry, argumentative and "caustic", when I have remained calm, albeit firm in my convictions (big difference between that and just being angry), and I haven't said anything in a sarcastic way. You, on the other hand, as per usual, claim I didn't understand you or, now, that I didn't "listen" to you, and you're blowing a gasket because I won't buckle to your position.

This has been going on for about a year since you came back to the forum. No matter what it is, if I disagree with you, you think I didn't understand you. Does it ever occur to you that you and I do not align in our opinions, and that I am merely offering a counterpoint to yours? You don't have to agree with me anymore than I need to agree with you. But don't act like the problem is because I don't "get" you.

I responded to your first post, and you replied with some questions for me. One was how do we teach men the value of listening. I responded. The other was what is my end game. I responded. In what way have I repeated myself, other than reiterating one or two statements that bear repeating, because, despite your insistence that you agreed with me the first time, your comments did not reflect that you were representing, much less agreeing with what I said.

You're still telling me I need to "listen". I thought I made my stance on that clear once, then a second time when you repeated the issue, and now it's come up again. If you don't wish to hear my opinion repeated (so much for listening, right?) then perhaps you should stop asking the same question, or raising the same issue.

WHAT do you want me to hear? That "systemic racism" is real? That is FACTUALLY incorrect, Oak. Do you want me to "listen" to people telling me that I am a racist if I don't agree? That's not happening. I've heard every argument that has come from this group of people in question. Am I supposed to agree? Just so they can "feel" like I listened?

I know you claim that "The only thing I ever asked was for us to not let what is going on outside cause destruction inside". This is almost always what happens when I disagree with you. You claim you were "only saying this" fill in the blank. But, actually, YOU kept saying we needed to listen. I stated my case on that, to which your response boiled down to "I understand and agree with you 100%, but you need to listen and not just be heard"... In other words, you DIDN'T agree with me. Which brought us to round two, and now round three.

IF you were "only saying" let's not fight amongst ourselves, I'd agree. That's not the only thing you said. I was civil with you. Disagreeing or arguing a point is not fighting if you can remain calm. It is you who has taken offense and failed to listen to a word I've said, as evidenced by your complete mischaracterization of my position as "not listening". You sound exactly like the left when you say that.

06-05-2020, 04:16 PM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Please Don't Originally Posted by TheOak You speak so well that I understood all of that the first time you said it. I replied "I have not disagreed with anything that you or Danno have said and fully understand your points." If you want to draw a hard line with people that obviously struggle with articulation, then do so. You aren't listening to them, you didn't listen to me the first time that i said I understood you, and I expect another 4-6 paragraphs waiting for me in the morning saying the same thing but worded differently. The only thing I ever asked was for us to not let what is going on outside cause destruction inside. You want to argue and be caustic... go at it. I wont get in your angry way. With all due respect, you just displayed an incredible amount of hypocrisy. You're accusing me of being angry, argumentative and "caustic", when I have remained calm, albeit firm in my convictions (big difference between that and just being angry), and I haven't said anything in a sarcastic way. You, on the other hand, as per usual, claim I didn't understand you or, now, that I didn't "listen" to you, and you're blowing a gasket because I won't buckle to your position. This has been going on for about a year since you came back to the forum. No matter what it is, if I disagree with you, you think I didn't understand you. Does it ever occur to you that you and I do not align in our opinions, and that I am merely offering a counterpoint to yours? You don't have to agree with me anymore than I need to agree with you. But don't act like the problem is because I don't "get" you. I responded to your first post, and you replied with some questions for me. One was how do we teach men the value of listening. I responded. The other was what is my end game. I responded. In what way have I repeated myself, other than reiterating one or two statements that bear repeating, because, despite your insistence that you agreed with me the first time, your comments did not reflect that you were representing, much less agreeing with what I said. You're still telling me I need to "listen". I thought I made my stance on that clear once, then a second time when you repeated the issue, and now it's come up again. If you don't wish to hear my opinion repeated (so much for listening, right?) then perhaps you should stop asking the same question, or raising the same issue. WHAT do you want me to hear? That "systemic racism" is real? That is FACTUALLY incorrect, Oak. Do you want me to "listen" to people telling me that I am a racist if I don't agree? That's not happening. I've heard every argument that has come from this group of people in question. Am I supposed to agree? Just so they can "feel" like I listened? I know you claim that "The only thing I ever asked was for us to not let what is going on outside cause destruction inside". This is almost always what happens when I disagree with you. You claim you were "only saying this" fill in the blank. But, actually, YOU kept saying we needed to listen. I stated my case on that, to which your response boiled down to "I understand and agree with you 100%, but you need to listen and not just be heard"... In other words, you DIDN'T agree with me. Which brought us to round two, and now round three. IF you were "only saying" let's not fight amongst ourselves, I'd agree. That's not the only thing you said. I was civil with you. Disagreeing or arguing a point is not fighting if you can remain calm. It is you who has taken offense and failed to listen to a word I've said, as evidenced by your complete mischaracterization of my position as "not listening". You sound exactly like the left when you say that. K Major likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.