Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Remember when sporting news was all about where Tom Brady was going to play? Seems like years ago. Anyway, Brady was apparently very interested in the Saints if Drew Brees was to retire and the Saints were interested in him...


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Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Brees is younger and better than Tom Brady! Brady is a diva and we don't need those on the team. I hope Drew never retires but this newest saga may take the wind out of his sails.

Oh, and Jenkins can kiss my a$$. You don't curse your QB in public. In private? Oh hell yeah! But to cuss the man on twitter left me with almost no respect for Jenkins. I liked him as a player but I don't respect him now. However, I still respect Drew. Jenkins could learn something from Demario Davis.

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Agreed about Jenkins and Demario, D.Davis is a pillar that people should look up to and respect, seems to be an amazing person and talked about Drews comments in a respectful but direct way.

I get that its a very passionate and extremely important cause and I have no idea nor experience on what the black community endure on a day to day basis, just didn't think it was appropriate for Jenkins to record videos swearing here and there and chastising Brees' character when Davis managed to get his point across and enlighten people without even raising his voice.

Not saying Jenkins overall message was wrong as I fully support it, I just didnt like the way he delivered his responses.

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Demario Davis's Father was a career enlisted soldier in the US Army and combat veteran.
So here's a guy who knows both sides of the coin. The guy endured two bad franchises before coming to the Saints.
A Man of God and apparently wise beyond his years.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Didn't Jenkins post that BS after he talked to Drew on the phone about Drew's comments? Drew told him why he said it and Jenkins had to get his fame anyway despite the conversation. The epitome of being a douchebag. Brees would've never done anything like that to him or any other teammate. Jenkins just wanted the attention.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

D bailed out Pats offense last year. It was one of the best defenses of all time.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Here come the "Taysom Hill" is 30 and too old to.............:rofl: :rofl:

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Emm... Well. Sad

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Many topics here to comment on. Brady , Saints.:confused:
Cheering for Brady and the Saints.:blueshock:
Rumor or fact then now coming to light. Omg, what planet are we on?:p
Everything NFL is bizarre.:bugeyes:

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Have you read Brees' book? This newest saga should actually ADD wind to his sails. He thrives on adversity. That said, the whole ordeal is most likely far less impactful than what fans and clickbait generating media believe.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Yet he has since praised Brees. I always forgive. Life is far to short to keep crap pent up. Especially when it doesn't affect you personally.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Is too late to send Jenkins away and get Vonn Bell back? Another head scratcher by Payton and the FO.

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I fully expect Jenkins to be a stud. Bell may have hit a ceiling in their eyes.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Doubt it. Bell was young and improving. Jenkins is good but isn’t getting any younger.
When all that **** went down people were very emotional and angry and people say stupid **** when they are angry. Happens to all of us. I have little doubt that if Brees would have said the exact same thing today people wouldn’t take as much issue with it.
I 100% support BLM but I wish someone would explain to me the difference between what Brees said and what Jim Brown and Dak Prescott said.
I’m tired of people jumping on the bandwagon of what the popular opinion is one day only for it to be completely opposite the next day.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Potentially, however all I see is the P-rob experiment all over again.

Whilst I didnt agree with Payton getting rid of Jenkins the first time, the only reason was because Byrd turned out to be such a disappointment.

Bell in my opinion was easily our best player in the secondary last year and his coverage skills really improved. He was always around the ball. Jenkins, got better when he left but I'd still prefer to have 20 something Vonn than aging Jenkins.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

The other way around for me. I'd rather have the player that has been there and done that than the one that MAY produce some day. Our time to win it all again is limited. Buy in now, as far as I am concerned.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Of course the media engages in hyperbole and click baiting. But it only takes a tiny amount of discernment to figure out that the reactions of his teammates are not click bait. These are THEIR words that THEY made public on twitter. Drew was asked a question and responded. And it was a reasonable answer. But his teammates acted like a bunch of bigots and not only jumped down his throat about it but, as I said, did so publicly.

It's kind of pathetic the lengths some people will go to in order to excuse the behavior of their beloved football heroes. There is literally no way to construe this reaction by the players as being a media narrative. The media and the players have INVENTED this narrative, together, and no doubt the media will milk it for all it's worth, but this never would have been an issue if these guys knew how to handle a disagreement like grown men.

Now Drew has bent over to political correctness, instead of standing his ground. I'm not sure there is a single principled person left in the NFL.

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All that said, I'll bet you are FAR more bent out of shape about it than are those players. Adults work things out with those they work with.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

You'd lose that bet really badly. You know how I know that? It's not a crystal ball... They ALREADY handled the situation like children, NOT adults. You know what adults do? They work out their problems in PRIVATE, and they don't call each other names in the process.

These little child-men had temper tantrums in PUBLIC. And what is this you call "working it out" that you claim they've done? They bullied Brees into taking their side, and throwing his principles in the garbage (which doesn't speak well of him, either). That's not working it out. Grown men don't bully each other into taking a side so that they can stay in the cool kids club.

The fact that you haven't made that connection is absurd. You are addicted to this team, and will not see anything negative that impacts your emotional bond to football. And that's your business. But don't pretend to have the high ground in conversation with other adults, if that's how you want to be.

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They did work out their problems in PRIVATE. The problem was created in PUBLIC, but they had private conversations the next day ... like adults, and worked it out.

You know how I know that? It's not a crystal ball ... the players, including Malcolm Jenkins, praised Brees after that PRIVATE talk like adults. The fact that you haven't made that connection is absurd.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Well then it's about time you abandon the Saints and the NFL for good if it upsets you so. I'm sure that would treat them right for hurting your feelings.

:D

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Let me try this one more time. Make sure you're paying attention, this time. They didn't "work out" their problems. Brees had to completely change his stance and throw away his principles, in order for them to "forgive" him.

He was given no right to his own opinion. He was savagely attacked. And, once more, IF they were real adults, they NEVER would have allowed their beef to be public. They wanted to make this an issue. THEY made this public with the direct intent of pressuring Drew into backing down, which is exactly what he did. If he had not, they would not have let it go. How do I know that? Listen closely... Because if they hated him for what he said, initially, they surely would have continued to hate if if he doubled down on it.

Understand now?

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I already have cut ties with both. But they didn't "hurt" my "feelings".

When someone does something that you think is reprehensible, and you say "I have no respect for that person" or "those people", does that mean your feelings are hurt by it? Does finding a problem with something automatically equate to hurt feelings in your little bubble?

Try not to embarrass yourself.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Not the one embarrassing myself. You're the one trying to make a big deal about a beef between two professional entertainers. Lighten up, Francis.

:rolleyes:

And a beef that has since been resolved ... albeit you fail to understand that simple concept.

Understand now?

Also, what are you doing hanging out on an NFL affiliated forum centered around the Saints if you have "cut ties with both"?

Must be those hurt feelings. Those entertainers can be so mean.

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Trust me... You've embarrassed yourself beyond belief, at this point, friend.

A couple of things: Being "entertainers" as has nothing to do with how your actions should be viewed. We're not talking about entertainment. We're talking about bigots spewing a false narrative that is going on across America, right now, and threatening to tear the country apart. You call that entertainment? This shows your unbelievable lack of perspective. Your have your eyes and ears covered, yelling "lalalalala, I can't hear you!", because the only thing you seem to care about is being entertained.

Also, why do you keep saying "between two professionals"? This wasn't between two people. It was between pretty much every player who had a twitter account, and Brees. That's not some small thing.

And for the THIRD time, nothing was "worked out". You failed to even address what I said. That's how kids argue. They just keep repeating "you don't know nothin', shut up!". In no way is bullying someone into taking your position, "working things out". And this bullying is going on across the nation, and these celebrities have a platform that allows them to reach a lot of people with what they say. They have chosen to use that platform to spread derision and outright hatred. That's why this matters to me, matters to a lot of people, and should matter to everyone.

What I choose to freely discuss on a board that I've been a member of for over 8 years, is my business. This isn't a football discussion. It just happens to involve football players. You had this same condescending, self-righteous attitude during kneel-gate. You wanted everyone who was disgusted to just go away. Well, guess what? This board isn't about you. You can disagree all you want, just like I can. But you don't get to dictate what a person chooses to use this site for, much less whether they can even be here, at all.

You are a phony.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Nope. I am genuine. Not phony at all. I am tolerant. I believe in the human spirit. I believe people can make mistakes, can hurt others feelings, can even cause major emotional pain ... and yet, with open (private) dialog can come to understandings and work together to make things better.

As for "every player that had a twitter account", you need to do your homework. Spend some time and list EVERY player that came out against Brees' statement and then compare it to the total number of players that indeed have Twitter accounts and I suspect in percentage it would not approach "every", but would indeed be infinitesimal. Please be thorough in your research ... unless you know you were totally wrong, of course.

Now, going under the assumption that you did indeed do said research, subtract the number of those players that have since accepted Brees' apology and were ready to move on. Now, where does that leave us?

Am I guessing somewhere in the neighborhood of .00001%?

And people say the media spews hyperbole.

19-0 Baby!

:bng:

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

No, you aren't genuine. Your opinion blows with the wind. You are a contrarian. A contrarian, by his very nature, cannot be genuine. You don't want to be seen as controversial. So instead, you just behave like a jerk toward anyone who dares to raise a controversial point about your team, or players on your team. That's pathetic.

You are also making straw man arguments. Nobody is making the statement that people can't make mistakes. Nor is anyone saying that people can't work it out. I believe in all of that, and I believe people can change. That has nothing to do with the point I'm making. Drew didn't make a mistake. He said he wouldn't support disrespecting the flag. Let me translate that for you: That doesn't mean he was taking a position on whether blacks are oppressed or not (which is a subject several of us have addressed here), it means he disagreed with the method of protest. And they didn't work it out. They didn't decide "ok, we disagree with you, but we respect your opinion, and we don't believe you meant anything malicious by what you said" (which, of course it wasn't malicious). They pushed on him until he caved. It doesn't matter if it was behind closed doors by that time. They didn't allow him to have his own opinion. And Drew, for his part, failed to stand up for himself.

I know you like to literalize words when you can't formulate a sound, or even remotely reasonable, rebuttal. First, I didn't say "every player", I said "pretty much every player who had a twitter", if you are going to be literal about it. But it's a figure of speech, meaning an overwhelming majority. You already knew that, of course, but you always resort to misdirection tactics. It wasn't just Saints players, it was players all across the league. Name one who came out in SUPPORT of Drew? I have yet to see one single person. Only some fans, and conservative commentators defended him. Not football players. Is it possible that SOMEONE in the league supported him? I guess, but it speaks volumes that I have yet to see one.

I know you were hoping to get somewhere with your attempt to divert from the subject at hand. Sorry to disappoint you.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

First of all, addressing Brees' initial objection to the means of protest, he definitely didn't approve of it. Neither did many Americans, including myself. But, after meaningful conversation I have come to accept it as a very valid means of protest, as has many Americans including the NFL as a whole. Why you would demonize Brees for coming to the very same conclusion is baffling. Brees is admirable as he is willing to listen and learn. That isn't easy to do.

I understand your objection, It is your right, but as an American you should understand all of others as well.

As for the formula of your Twitter argument. I'll let you off the hook and ask you to then use "an overwhelming majority" of players with Twitter accounts as you now have amended. I'd still like to see the same calculations as requested based upon a very conservative majority of 50.0001% of the players with accounts.

Waiting ...........

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

You need help to come up with all of those hundreds of players, burningmetal?

Michael Thomas
Emmanuel Sanders
Demario Davis
Malcolm Jenkins
Lebron James (does he count? Not an NFL player like you claimed, but you need the numbers)
Aaron Rodgers

Still looking. I guess I am putting in more effort than you. Come on. You can do it. Let's build this list of the majority of NFL players with Twitter accounts that slammed Brees. Okay?


Edit: Shannon Sharpe (still searching!) You given up yet?

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

You haven't had a "meaningful" conversation about any of this. You can't have a meaningful conversation about something that is based in a lie, and leads to more lies. This whole black oppression narrative is a lie. And Drew's stance was not wrong. It was his opinion, and one that I agree with. The "issue" of "systemic racism" that these players claim to be protesting is also an opinion, but one which is directly refuted by overwhelming statistics.

Where is the "conversation" about that? You, like Brees after he backpedaled, simply don't want to be vilified by the mob, and so you pretend to understand something that most people know full well to be a lie. Drew didn't just suddenly come to understand some new perspective. Anyone with the slightest common sense knows that there was a specific reason they ONLY knelt during the anthem. They were showing their disdain for America, by putting on their display during the anthem, with that big American flag waving across that field. They could have chosen ANY OTHER time to protest whatever it is they think is so racist about America. But they chose THAT time to do it. Drew knows why, I know why, you know why, everyone knows why.

It's because of the backlash that players got for their poorly timed demonstrations that they pretended then, and still do today, that it "wasn't about the flag". And now, because of the backlash Drew got, simply for answering a QUESTION honestly, he has suddenly done a 180. You know better than to believe Drew has changed his private stance. He simply changed his public stance so he'd be left alone. And guess what? Some guys still don't "forgive" Him. Read this: https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/06/dre...y-nfl-reaction

Everywhere you look, people are taking shots at him, even now. I'm not going to engage in your wish for me to scour the entire twitter universe to list ever single player who came against Brees. EVERYTHING I have seen, was negative after he made his initial comments.

If you want to make a point with me, why don't you show me a list of players who tweeted about Brees' comments, who were NOT negative? Demario Davis was the one guy who seemed to not lose his mind, but he strongly believed Drew was wrong. And he can believe that all he wants. It doesn't make him right.

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LOL! I knew it. No one is going to read your off base diatribe. Later, friend.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

It's not a diatribe. You've focused on a tiny aspect of one of my posts, literalized it to mean something other than what it was (which is classic you), ignored all other points, and taken the cowardly leftist position of these players and media.

By the way, tough guy, where was your list of the positive Brees tweets, hmmm? I thought making twitter lists was super easy and essential to the point. Aren't they?

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

First give me your majority of every NFL player that slammed Brees' since readdressed statement that you claimed.

And of course no one would come to his defense because they knew he was wrong in what he said in that context. White, black, conservative, liberal, straight, gay.

D'uh!

And I am FAR from a leftist. LOL!

By the way, still looking for that landslide of negative tweets that you claimed.

Well?

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Personally, burningmetal, I would gladly sit with you and discuss this over a beer or two. I have no issue with discussing things face to face. People surprisingly understand each other better while actually speaking and seeing each others eyes.

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https://media2.giphy.com/media/vHwGA...2&rid=100.webp

Still waiting to see that extensive list of players that you claim slammed Brees. I gave you a good start. Every player with a twitter account ... oh, no wait, ... the vast majority of ... oh, no wait ... most of the ... oh, wait ...

Hello?

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

You are pathetically beating on a dead horse. I used a figure of every day speech, kind of like when someone says "my back is killing me". Do you ask them to explain to you how their back is LITERALLY killing them, and show the scientific study behind the great mystery of murdering backs?

The point, which I already well explained to you, is that the reaction was overwhelmingly negative, and that every tweet I've seen, every video posted, whatever, was bashing Brees. For you to pretend that is not, in fact, absolutely true, shows your bias.

Most of all, this rabbit hole you've been digging into was a tiny sidebar to the issue I've been discussing, and you've done this deliberately to avoid having to make any actual argument against my overall point. And it's why I refuse to play your worthless, time wasting game. The reaction to Drew was nothing short of universally vitriolic, league wide. Does that mean 100% of them? I imagine not. But those who may have been in his corner don't have the guts to speak up for him, any more than he had the guts to stand up for himself, in the end.

You don't have a counter claim to stand on. And everyone here knows it. So you'll just keep focusing on the exact number of how many people tweeted negatively, while not being able to produce any evidence to refute that he got buried by his peers.

You say "And of course no one would come to his defense because they knew he was wrong in what he said in that context. White, black, conservative, liberal, straight, gay.".... What? You have yet to demonstrate how he was wrong. I've already addressed that point multiple times, and I'm not going to repeat myself again. Your statement is lazy, false, and assumes a moral high ground that has no basis to exist.

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You personally feel he was not off base in his initial statement. That is your right. The overwhelming numbers that you speak of didn't feel that way. He had no one come out in support of his statement because few felt it was appropriate. He himself has admitted it was not appropriate. He now realizes that the kneeling had nothing to do with any sort of defiance to the flag meaning to deface the military. It was a simple, non-violent means of protest to hopefully bring the issue of police brutality to the forefront. He recognized that those persons have every right to protest in that manner, especially if allowed by their employers ... which the NFL is now doing.

Just because you are in rapidly shrinking minority that cannot see the significance of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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And the discussion continues....with no one changing their mind. America at it's finest.

Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired
 

Only minds opened to change can change, Rugby. Mine has evolved over the past decade or so. I have become more understanding. I have listened to the issues at hand with an open mind.