I would guess that no fewer than 20 people would die of straight up alchohol poisoning. Maybe it's better the way it is :couch: (God it's good to have the smilies back)

And yet my conclusion still stands: you should root for him NOT to goof up.

Think back to a time. Let's say, around 1998. The New York Jets were 1-3 with some guy named Glenn Foley as their QB, and behind him was Vinny Testaverde.

We all know Vinny's past.....and we all know about his last few years (being benched in NY for Pennington.....and last year's stint with Dallas)......but let's stay on the subject of 1998 for a minute..

As I previously mentioned, the Jets were 1-3, and they were faced with having to bench an ineffective Glenn Foley, with the prospect of having Vinny coming off the bench. Given Vinny's prior history, I'm sure most Jets fans were ready to write off the entire season......some might have already begun thinking ahead to "who will we select in the draft"...

And what happened that year?

Vinny had the season of a lifetime, only losing 1 game as a starter that year. Also, he threw 29 TDs and only 7 INTERCEPTIONS (which normally is his downfall). Basically, Vinny made alot of "fans" and "experts" look like complete morons. Along with that, he took the Jets to the AFC Championship game, where they lost to the powerhouse Denver Broncos (it should be noted that the Jets had a 10-0 lead on them going into the 3rd qtr).

Moral of this story? Don't ever stop rooting for your QB, because you just never know when he's going to deliver.

The old Hasbeen excuse ???

To bad there are no fan stats .

Lets take Horn :

Name Team Games Drops
Donald Driver GB 16 11
Darrell Jackson SEA 16 11
Keary Colbert CAR 15 10
Az-Zahir Hakim DET 12 10
Koren Robinson SEA 10 10
Rod Gardner WAS 16 9
Isaac Bruce STL 16 8
Tiki Barber NYG 16 7
Laveranues Coles NYJ 16 7
Joe Horn NO 16 7
Kevin Jones DET 15 7
Terrell Owens PHI 14 7
Jeremy Shockey NYG 15 7
Roy Williams DET 14 7
Stephen Alexander DEN 16 6
Muhsin Muhammad CHI 16 6

Now Horn had 7 drops .

Horn was thrown to 153 times in the season
Horn caught 94 passes
Horn dropped 7 passes .

A little basic math will tell us 52 passes went uncatchable .

Skippy Brooks :monkey:

LOL

Makes me think of the last game of the season where Tulane with 11-0 (Sean King at the helm, 90's - 50+ points average per game!?!!? -- WOW).

At the end of the game, we all charged down to pull down the goalposts. There were a couple hundred of us (which sadly seemed like a quarter of the crowd in the Dome). But... the cops didn't like that much. They charged out of the tunnel (on horses), cuffed us all, and dragged us to the lockups (yes, there are lockups inside the Dome).

They let us stew there for about 2 hours. A dean finally came in and *****ed "you idiots just cust the school $11,000!!!".... and then he said (it was beautiful) "And it was worth every penny - let'em all go!".

Oh, the Glory Day.

Oh, the Glory Days....

Wasn't Testaverde in Tampa Bay first and stunk terribly, then didn't become effective until he was like 30 something with the Jets? So in essence, we should give up on AB here, let him go somewhere else to ride the bench 4 years then come in when that team is down, finally have the light come on, and have one good year? I'm all for that, when can we trade him? :D

Just to follow up on vinny, it took 6 years before he had a season where he threw more TDs than INTs, which was on his 7th year, when he was on a new team, in Cleveland. He then went to Baltimore, then ended up on the Jets, where he did well, in his 12th year. SO your suggestion is to hold on to AB until that magical 12th year where he might put it altogether? Aye Carumba. :puke:

Yeah. That's what I've been praying for. If only we had a Vinny Testaverde type QB.

:microwave:

Can we do the , not good enough to sub in for an injured Brooks while trying to make the play offs , only to lead his new team to a Super Bowl the next season Delhomme story next ???

:cheering:

Sure we can...

The moral of THIS story will be: you don't need a great quarterback to take a team to a super bowl.


See also:

Johnson, Brad

Dilfer, Trent

Apples to oranges. Compare Vinny's stats to Aaron's for the first 5 years, and you won't even see a comparison.

Can you show me a dynasty without one ????

I said it doesn't take a great QB to get a team to a Super Bowl......I didn't say anything about a Dynasty.


But since you asked......does Tom Brady strike you as being a dynasty-type of QB?

Yes, he became one.....but I'm sure alot of people will point to other QBs with more physical tools, passing ability, etc.

Yes.

If it's apples to oranges, why did you compare Vinny to Aaron in the first place? :roll:

Yeah, he was in Tampa. I went to a couple of his games there, back when I used to live in Florida. His own fans used to boo him from the stands. They'd yell wuss for not running it or not taking a hit. Cold blooded.

They were too hard on him, I think. He seemed to get a lot of interceptions, and he took a lot of flack, but I never thought he was that bad. Of course, my view might have been a little skewed, having been a Saints fan - what looked awful to them just seemed normal to me.

Tampa fans used to hate him though.

The answer is :

A.Brooks pass to J.Horn pushed ob at NO 35 for 3 yards

I can't believe we lost Boo and Fincher for the season... I was hoping that both would be able to do more for this team than anyone expected them to.

Oh wait...I'm sorry....I didn't know that telling a story about Vinny Testaverde, and relating it to rooting for your team's QB, meant that I was "comparing" Vinny and Aaron.

First play from scrimmage, huh?

If it's Saints' ball, I say Deuce over the left side, stutter steps, gains 2 to the Carolina 26 yardline.

If it's Panther's ball, I say Foster on a dive, cuts back to the right side, bounce outside, goes 63 yards to the Saints 12 yardline before being bumped out by D Smith.

It does. When the moral of the story is never give up on your QB, and you use a QB who was with 5 different teams and the light didn't come on until his 12th year with his 4th. Next time maybe a better example would be in order. Like Drew Brees. Same team, stayed the course and got better. But of course it only took him 3 years, as opposed to what, 5 now for AB? And of course the Chargers make the pro bowl when his light goes on. But at least he was with the same team. So the situation would be similar. Sorry your poor example led me to take the wrong message from your statement. :roll:

Did Drew Brees get better? Um, yeah. To the tune of the NFL's Comeback player of the year award. I would call that better. A 104.8 passer rating? 65.5% completions? 27 TDs, 7 INTs without 14 lost fumbles? Um yeah, I would call that better. What was your point again?

This is a flat out lie and shows you prob did not watch ONE Saints game last year. The offense CONSISTENTLY went three and out not only in the 1st quarter, but the FIRST HALF. They were ranked TWENTY NINTH in the league in TOP so that right there proves you 100% false. And the defense gave them a top 10 number of turnovers. Try to at least have a semblance of truth when you rant. Here it is so you can have a look for yourself. I already sorted it for you:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NF...15&_1:col_1=15

What? San Diego was picked to be LAST in the NFL again by every expert alive. They did not improve their offensive line at all. Trust me, it was Drew Brees. Or at least he was the main reason. LT has been LT for 4-5 years now. He didn;t do anything he hadn't done previosuly, and even did less cause like a year or two ago, he caught 100 passes. Their receivers were no name times 3 until thet got McCardell after week 6. All they had was Gates.

And I am still waiting for one good year from AB. ONE.

And why do you sweat Jake so much? You are sweating him having the same numbers in his FIRST year as a starter as AB in his 5th? Nice. Good call on that one. What did he do in his second year with a third of the team? Tell me what he did in the Superbowl, against NE, what even Peyton hasn't been able to do? Shine. Get off his jock.

hahahahahahahahaha. What? How many points a game did Indy and Philly score? Did they have a problem getting a simple FIRST DOWN for 3/4 of the season in the first quarter? Indy had to outscore every team they played, and the majority of the time it worked. To even try to put our offense in the same league as those two teams makes you look foolish. I don't know again why I bother. Please argue with someone else. I am not getting anything out of this, and I am in a seriously bad mood cause of this hurricane. Consider this my final word to you.

I can't believe you not only said this, but believe it. Any of it. I am in shock. I could rip this apart, but I figure if I ignore you, you will go away. Please go away. Nothing comes of arguing with you, and you have no idea what you are talking about. You are the same guy who said our playoff win means ZERO, cause of our schedule back then, were wrong about the amount of playoff teamson it, and now say AB had a good year in 2000 cause he piggy backed a 7-3 record into the playoffs. Do you actually believe any of this? Never mind. Rhetorical.

Anyone who understands the fundimentals of an NFL quarterback, what they are, and how a quarterback should act accordingly, should completely understand why Saints' fans do not like Aaron Brooks.

End of discussion.

I, personally, have spoken nothing of the way Brooks "acts" off of the field or even on the sidelines. I only pay attention to what he does while under center. The way he plays his position are not correct. I'm done with this argument for a while. There is simply no more to discuss.

Smart move Oldies. When you argue with logic, and get babble in return, it only tends to frustrate you even more. Just like they say in horror movies about ghosts, ignore it and maybe it will go away.

I am sorry I thought this was a thread about the first play from scrimmage for the Saints Ravens game.