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Lord_Saint83 09-27-2020 10:49 PM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 898304)
Sean Payton - ...in the end we couldn't keep pace with the numbers they were putting up...

No Game Awareness Whatsoever...


If they had a qb with an arm they would of but they do they have two

rezburna 09-27-2020 10:54 PM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
When Brees almost threw that pick and he started talking to Sanders I could see it in his face. He doesn’t believe in Brees. He had that look like bruh...if you could throw we’d be fine.

neugey 09-27-2020 10:55 PM

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I don't like the way we are using Taysom this year. It just looks off. I'd rather see Taysom run off tackle on the option and have Kamara or Murray as the pitch-man. Or just have Taysom rollout like GB rolls out Rogers.

RefsRobbedUs 09-27-2020 10:57 PM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 898307)
When Brees almost threw that pick and he started talking to Sanders I could see it in his face. He doesn’t believe in Brees. He had that look like bruh...if you could throw we’d be fine.

I said the same thing. Drew also has no confidence in himself.

WW_Who_Dat 09-28-2020 12:02 AM

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Brees did not lose this game ... Strong arm ... no but his timing and accuracy was there tonight. The predictable situational Run Run -1% option pass with Taysom is so predictable in that situation it has absolutely no chance of success.

Same same for the call screen pass or any pass thrown behind the line of scrimmage on short yardage 3rd down rather at least try to throw the ball to the chains at least. If you don't complete the pass at least you tried to get the needed yardage, teams have so much film of SP tendencies chance of success are slim to none. Those 2 plays cost us any chance of winning this game.

Dennis Allen not accounting for the TE's and Jack Rabbit full on arm locks on his assigned receivers game after game ... Someone needs to be held accountable for these lapses ... can't keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

K Major 09-28-2020 01:00 AM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
Penalties, penalties.

spkb25 09-28-2020 01:34 AM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 897946)
Here's to another loss tonight to make the low life's of the site happy!

:bng:

14-2 guido. That left column is filling up slower than the one on the right.

I'm Srgt big toe and ill be here when the losing starts.

spkb25 09-28-2020 01:40 AM

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You all keep watching even though the refs make terrible calls that decide games etc. Just stop watching and having any roll caring. This way you can sit back, have a whole ton more time and you can laugh at a team when the lose.

spkb25 09-28-2020 01:56 AM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 897946)
Here's to another loss tonight to make the low life's of the site happy!

:bng:

Some fans are upset at their team losing because they're invested in them winning.

Than some are invested in being right and when the team loses and it screws with that, that is what upsets them

By this comment which one do you think 14-2 Guido is?

I'm Srgt big toe and ill be here when the losing starts

vpheughan 09-28-2020 06:03 AM

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"It's simple entertainment, nothing more, nothing less. If you try to make more of it, you're simply missing the boat"

"You see, THE BOAT MOVES, NOT THE DOCK!!!" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

TheOak 09-28-2020 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 898314)
Some fans are upset at their team losing because they're invested in them winning.

Than some are invested in being right and when the team loses and it screws with that, that is what upsets them

By this comment which one do you think 14-2 Guido is?

I'm Srgt big toe and ill be here when the losing starts

You’ve become nothing but a butt-hurt troll here bent on destruction, Falcons fans rate higher. If left unchecked, what you are doing will kill any activity left in these boards.

Cruize 09-28-2020 06:59 AM

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-No pressure from the front four.
-Horrible technique from the DB's in coverage. Grabbing. No ability/attempt to find the ball.
-J. Jenkins is not good.
-Complete inability to cover a TE.
-Davis is great. The other LB's are invisible. They want Anzalone to be the guy. He's not. It's time for Roberstson to get some snaps.
-No creativity in the run game.
-Brees does not trust himself and/or his receivers.
-Cook can't stay healthy.
-If the Saints had not have played Tampa in their first game, they would be 0-3. It's going to be tough going in 2020.
-Thomas has to come back healthy.
-Effort was there.
-Kamara is a beast.
-Murray is a very good downhill runner.
-Ruiz looked good. Although, and it could just be the number, he looked small at guard. If Peat is out, I could see Ruiz at center and McCoy at guard.
-Lutz is a beast.

Budsdrinker 09-28-2020 07:37 AM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 898307)
When Brees almost threw that pick and he started talking to Sanders I could see it in his face. He doesn’t believe in Brees. He had that look like bruh...if you could throw we’d be fine.

And you know for a fact that Sanders ran the correct route??

Budsdrinker 09-28-2020 07:43 AM

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On the Taysom fumble, I believe it was Josh Hill who let the defender run right by him without even chipping him. Even just the slightest chip allows Taysom to properly secure that ball after pulling it back from the rb and that fumble doesn't happen. Too many missed assignments and undisciplined play is killing this team.

rezburna 09-28-2020 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 898319)
And you know for a fact that Sanders ran the correct route??

What other route could he have supposedly run? It was a 3 step drop and Brees threw it straight to him without even flinching. Pretty obvious timing pattern. It’s not like he threw the ball out there and there was no receiver.

K Major 09-28-2020 08:31 AM

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Before the injury, Peat was bad.

Brees was sacked twice and a fumble. Both appeared to be missed assignments by Andrus.

11.5M per season for that? Hope the guy is ok with his ankle but he's a very underwhelming offensive lineman.

AK and Demario were dawgs. I can't even laugh at Falcon fans.

That's all I got.

spkb25 09-28-2020 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 898316)
You’ve become nothing but a butt-hurt troll here bent on destruction, Falcons fans rate higher. If left unchecked, what you are doing will kill any activity left in these boards.

Oak is upset people are forcing him to read their comments again.

I need control, absolute control God damnit,says oak

Rsanders24 09-28-2020 09:05 AM

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I don’t know why Payton refuses to stick to the run and I don’t know why this team looks so uninterested. I can’t put my finger on it. They defense seems flat and they are playing with terrible technique causing them to be out of position. Trey and Malcom are the only ones showing up on the D-line. Davis is the only LB we have and I can’t name any other ones except for Alex and he isn’t doing anything except for over pursuing plays.

It takes all the energy Brees has to throw a pass longer than 13 yards in the air it seems and his passes are off target when he has to put any velocity on them, even on the short ones. He just looks like he doesn’t trust himself when throwing down field. Kamara made Brees look good on paper but if you watched the game, there is still a lot to be concerned about.

Then we have to play against the refs too.

Aaron Glenn....can you please teach or work with these DBs on their technique?!?! They are panicking for no reason. Trust your skills and technique.

Dennis Allen...if you keep calling blitzes that aren’t working and you see your DBs are struggling, why not change it up? His play calling is so predictable...

spkb25 09-28-2020 09:06 AM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 898327)
Before the injury, Peat was bad.

Brees was sacked twice and a fumble. Both appeared to be missed assignments by Andrus.

11.5M per season for that? Hope the guy is ok with his ankle but he's a very underwhelming offensive lineman.

AK and Demario were dawgs. I can't even laugh at Falcon fans.

That's all I got.

Stupid ass signing and everyone on the board, pretty much, knee it.

I think the Malcolm Jenkins signing was asinine too. Apparently the TE is still the bain of his existence, at least someone on the board said it

WW_Who_Dat 09-28-2020 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 898338)
Stupid ass signing and everyone on the board, pretty much, knee it.

I think the Malcolm Jenkins signing was asinine too. Apparently the TE is still the bain of his existence, at least someone on the board said it

Malcom Jenkins played a good game last night doubt he missed all the open TE assignments. 2 games in a row sound more like Dennis Allen is not getting the game plan and In game adjustments needed.

The TE’s were running completely free again last night ... personally the 6 DB thing with all its intended deception of the offense is more than likely the reason for these flat out missed assignments.

Jack Rabbit is liability right now been has owned And his only defense is the arm lock special. Though on the last touchdown drive it was his only option if not for the desperation arm lock it would have been a touchdown.

gosaints1 09-28-2020 10:24 AM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 898343)
...2 games in a row sound more like Dennis Allen is not getting the game plan and In game adjustments needed.

The TE’s were running completely free again last night ... personally the 6 DB thing with all its intended deception of the offense is more than likely the reason for these flat out missed assignments...

Agreed 1,000% on the last comment, it’s my belief also. As far as “In game adjustments”, DAllen tried everybody in the state of Louisiana, save members of the Preservation Hall Jazz Band, trying to cover Waller. Nobody could do it though. Adjustments were made, they were just unsuccessful, very unsuccessful. Their player wanted the ball and yards more than our players wanted to stop him, it was that simple. But, the bigger picture that either the team or the scheme can’t cover a TE is being proven true.

jeanpierre 09-28-2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RefsRobbedUs (Post 898294)
Quan was like in quicksand

Have you read his draft scouting reports?

K Major 09-28-2020 01:01 PM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 898382)
Have you read his draft scouting reports?

Most know how I feel on 3quan.

Anything he does in a positive manner … Lagniappe.

jeanpierre 09-28-2020 01:36 PM

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Okay, after watching this one, the criticism is real simple...

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

How many times since 2017 have we seen this script where the game is tight and Payton abandons an effective running game?

Only last night, it was effective at wearing down their defense of reserves, and yet Payton pulled a General Montgomery and called off the run game...

And in what scheme is the SS not the personnel of choice in covering a Tight End? What was Dennis Allen thinking and where was the veteran leadership of Malcolm Jenkins to bring this to the DC?

I can be a Drew Brees fan and recognize that he's unwilling and/or unable to get the ball downfield, opening the field for bigger plays by Kamara; and he looks RockyIII scared...

We've been fortunate bringing in Taysom Hill cold off the bench, and receive big sparks from him in the past, expecting him to do that everytime is supercilious...

Last night, his fumble, was as much on an out-of-rhythm play call forcing him into a naturally flowing run game than his mistake...

Watching Payton deflect last night when asked about abandoning the run game and shifting blame to coverage breakdowns, a fumble pissed me off as much as his blaming loss solely on refs in the NFC CG vs Rams...

Rsanders24 09-28-2020 01:54 PM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 898394)
We've been fortunate bringing in Taysom Hill cold off the bench, and receive big sparks from him in the past, expecting him to do that everytime...

Last night, his fumble, was as much on an out-of-rhythm play call forcing him into a naturally flowing run game than his mistake...

I agree...that was the most predictable play ever. Smith did not even look at the RB and went straight for Hill. Of course it doesn’t help that he also had a TE blocking their best front 7 player.

K Major 09-28-2020 02:18 PM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 898394)
Okay, after watching this one, the criticism is real simple...

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Only last night, it was effective at wearing down their defense of reserves, and yet Payton pulled a General Montgomery and called off the run game...


Astute observation.

Not to beat a dead horse but I'm sure you've already seen the stat line on "running attack" last night.

Saints ran for over 154 yards in the 1st half ...

Saints ran 6 x's for 12 yards in the 2nd half :rolleyes:.

CSP is a little too impatient perhaps? I'll piggy back off your earlier post .. "do you think Bill Bellichick gives a rats a** that the Raiders knew he was going to run it down their throats"?

If ain't broke, don't fix it. No need to get cute. Run it down their throats, keep it simple, give your defense a break and churn up clock. No need to get into shootouts with teams.

Oh well … on to Detroit :bng:.

Budsdrinker 09-28-2020 02:32 PM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 898321)
What other route could he have supposedly run? It was a 3 step drop and Brees threw it straight to him without even flinching. Pretty obvious timing pattern. It’s not like he threw the ball out there and there was no receiver.

To cut inside and not outside! Cut inside and the defender is behind him, cutting outside allowed the defender to get between him and the ball.

gosaints1 09-28-2020 02:44 PM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 898397)
...Not to beat a dead horse but I'm sure you've already seen the stat line on "running attack" last night.

Saints ran for over 154 yards in the 1st half ...

Saints ran 6 x's for 12 yards in the 2nd half

Beat the heck out of that horse, lol. That’s logic I understand. And what was the score at halftime? 17-13 Saints. The best way to keep GB’s offensive weapons off the field is to keep your offense on. Running game was impressive, imho, I don’t understand the abandoning of it.

The Dude 09-28-2020 03:35 PM

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Eh. We’ve started out 1-2 before and made the playoffs. At least there was improvement against a very potent GB team without our number one target. Lots of work to be done but I still think it will be game 5 before we know who this team is. Hopefully it’s more than just Brees to Kamara.

RefsRobbedUs 09-28-2020 03:55 PM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 898382)
Have you read his draft scouting reports?

just did, only positive that shows up in the NFL is his run blocking


POSITIVES

—Scott Frost offense demanded he impact the run game as a blocker.

—Excellent jump-ball receiver who can win with high-pointing.

—Times his move on the ball well and shows natural athleticism playing above the turf.

—Has the speed to stretch the field and can run off defenders.

—Productive down the field and flashed the ability to pick up chunk plays after the catch.



NEGATIVES

—Big catch radius but struggles with drops.

—Thin frame allows press coverage to slow him down.

—Frame is maxed out and looks stiff when asked to break off routes.

—Weak through traffic and can be timid at the catch point.

—Frame and catch radius limitations might limit him to a slot role only.

Cruize 09-28-2020 03:59 PM

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-The Saints run too many plays behind the line to gain specifically on third down. If you don't have 3 options past the first down marker on third down, with 10 or less to go, you are just not attacking the defense enough. You are forcing your players to make plays while allowing the defenders an advantage in stopping you.
-I like Peat. He looks to be in the best shape of his career. He's a very good guard. His value is where it is because he's equally as good if not better at tackle. His loss is big not only from a starter being lost but also from a depth perspective if TA goes down.
-I agree with all the scheme and blown coverage complaints. The Saints have the talent to man up. Simplifies everything and allows more pressure to be created. The defense is thinking too much and not attacking.
-Payton will never be a run the ball guy. Even when it's working. Even when it's a glaring weakness on the defense. That's what makes Belichick so good. He understands the other teams weaknesses. He understands his teams strengths. He is the best at making adjustments from week to week and in game.

iceshack149 09-28-2020 04:01 PM

Re: Saints vs. Packers GAMEDAY THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 898307)
When Brees almost threw that pick and he started talking to Sanders I could see it in his face. He doesn’t believe in Brees. He had that look like bruh...if you could throw we’d be fine.

Which proves Jason Whitlock's theory. Brees has been the general of the Saints since 2006. Most players would run through a wall for him. Now you have a handful of players calling him ignorant and not even giving him the courtesy of eye contact when he talks to them.

I wish he had retired prior to this season. I'd guess that he does too.


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