Re: Saints Wednesday Injury Report: 2020 Week 8 at Chicago Bears
 

How? Lol!

Re: Saints Wednesday Injury Report: 2020 Week 8 at Chicago Bears
 

Perhaps we wouldn't be 4-2 and quickly getting healthy across the roster with a winnable stretch coming up. What do you mean by worse? Most of the league would love to be in our position.

Don't get where you are coming from.

:confused:

Worse was most every year in the Saints history before Sean Payton and Drew Brees arrived. Spoiled a little perhaps?

Re: Saints Wednesday Injury Report: 2020 Week 8 at Chicago Bears
 

This might be a real good week to let Trautman loose and find out if he's got it.

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If by “our position” you mean currently out of the playoffs, and needing help (aka the thing you called luck) to get back in, then no, “most” of the league does not want to be “in our position” at this very moment. We’re currently 8th in the NFC, out of 16 teams, and out of the playoffs. That means there are a bare minimum of seven teams in the NFC and at least the same in the AFC who don’t want to be “in our position”.

I’m not sure what’s “worse”, going 3-13 with no playoff win, or going 13-3 with NO playoff win. At least with the 3 win team we’re rewarded with a top five draft pick. It’s not being “spoiled” to think our postseason record hasn’t matched the talent level of the roster we’ve had. And in all truthiness, one Super Bowl with what you, among many others argue is the GOAT QB in the NFL, is not success. Is it better than pre-Payton teams? Yes, without a doubt, but I’ll remind you that Eli Manning has more SB rings in the Payton/Brees era than Payton or Brees do. And that my friend is not just bad luck..., nor is it success. Expectation for success =/= being “spoiled”. imho.

Re: Saints Wednesday Injury Report: 2020 Week 8 at Chicago Bears
 

Three of the team ahead of us are in the same division and have to play each other numerous times. Someone HAS to lose those games or lose half a game with a tie. We have a game left with Tampa and a win will put us ahead of them. A win this week over Chicago places us ahead of them in the standings. We don't need any help at all. Simply winning our games guarantees us a high seed.

Can you tell me honestly that luck didn't play a part in Eli getting those two rings?

:D

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Non sequitor argument, you know that. Without a doubt, winning out would put us as the division winner and in the playoffs. But..., we haven’t done that yet and you stated that “most of the league would love to be in our position”. And that’s just a non-truth, bc of where we sit currently, right now. Not where we Could be if “luck” favors us. And if “luck” played a role, significant or not, in Eli Manning’s Super Bowl championships, then “luck” was responsible also for the Saints one championship. “Luck” is an excuse. No different from a chef blaming his pot of water boiling differently this time than last, for his bad pasta dish. It would be an excuse, not a reason. There are WAY too many absolutes that dictate the success of his dish than just chalking failure up to an inexact thermodynamics beginning. One pot, one gallon of water, and one fire source, and I guarantee you the water will boil differently every single time over a billion iterations.

No different with the NFL. Success is born on the back of preparation, repetition, conditioning, etc... Those attributes, among many other known absolutes, trump any “luck” mucking things up. Luck, regardless of possession or absence of it, is an excuse. It is not a reason, either for success..., or failure.

TLDR: Is our current record playoff-worthy right now? The answer is no. Leading to a non sequitor argument, unambiguously. Nobody knows what the future holds. We absolutely DO know the current state of affairs.

Re: Saints Wednesday Injury Report: 2020 Week 8 at Chicago Bears
 

This concussion protocol always seems to work to keep Saints players out for extended periods

Other teams - not so much

Hoping Calloway is back next week

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We got all the lucky bounces in '09. Even the ambush call gave us a good bounce. You make your own luck most of the time and sometimes you are rewarded for your hard work with a little luck. I have always believed that we make our own luck. Of course it's harder to get lucky when you play against the refs as well each week. We called out the officials for lousy officiating for years now. Do you honestly believe that they don't carry a grudge? The refs are human after all and most humans are petty when they get called out and embarrassed.

As a rugby ref when a team continuously question my calls I just enforce them harder and without any kind of leniency. They are trying to influence my calls and it works....just not to their advantage. Of course, my calls are still fair....mostly. :wink:

Re: Saints Wednesday Injury Report: 2020 Week 8 at Chicago Bears
 

I hear your point, and understand it. I just don’t believe in using it as an excuse for failure. Nobody can control the way a ball bounces, nor whether somebody is going to make an obvious DPI call either. But, that randomness exists for each and every team in the league, rendering “luck” a moot point, as we all have access to the same randomness. You just can’t control randomness, the best way to mitigate it’s effect, is to be in a position where a randomly bad bounce or a missed call is not the single difference maker in deciding a win or loss.

And I would argue that there was absolutely nothing “lucky” about the Ambush call. A lot of hard work and time, an extremely high level of analysis, went into making that decision..., it wasn’t just a lucky guess and the ball bouncing fortuitously in our favor. That 09 team worked its hind-end off to get to 13-0, making the final two games unimportant bc home field advantage was already locked up. The same “luck”, that existed for us then, existed for every other team in their unique games also.

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I stand by what I said. By our position now I was talking about having an elite QB, RB, WR, and offensive line. Most of the league would love to be in that position.

And, by all means, luck played a part in the Saints Lombardi. Luck ALWAYS plays a part in winning. Ask any player or coach. That is a truism. That is an absolute. Avoiding injuries is a matter of luck. The way a loose ball bounces is luck. The flip of a coin at the beginning of the game or the beginning of overtime is luck. The timing of when or who might get COVID is a matter of luck. The best team doesn't always win. Luck plays a part every week.