Saints @ Falcons Game Day Thread

AsylumGuido · 12-07-2020, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Ummm Guido. Are you seriously rationalizing dink and dunk as though it has some hidden value?

Sean Payton grabbed a sharpie, stood at the board, then proceeded to drive a collaborative effort to get the dink and dunk going? Not defense, but rather short passes under the sticks are what wins championships?

Sorry brother, that’s what you are trying to sell lol.

Both QBs create unique but different challenges for defenses.

Brees doesn't only "dink and dunk". I was addressing the supposition that "dink and dunk" is all Brees can provide. I was saying that Brees can control the clock by hitting multiple receivers as well as anyone in history and that is something that Hill has struggled with. And, yes, spreading it around, using the pass as an extension of the run while mixing in the run is a winning formula.

And where did I say defense isn't vital? Can't find that anywhere.

TheOak · 12-08-2020, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Brees doesn't only "dink and dunk". I was addressing the supposition that "dink and dunk" is all Brees can provide. I was saying that Brees can control the clock by hitting multiple receivers as well as anyone in history and that is something that Hill has struggled with. And, yes, spreading it around, using the pass as an extension of the run while mixing in the run is a winning formula.

And where did I say defense isn't vital? Can't find that anywhere.

That is some extremely heavy rationalization supported by vagueness and your opinion. The stats do not show Drew's clear dominance in the areas you have mentioned, if anything there is no clear leader, if I removed the names and titled these QB A/B preseason stats you wouldn't be so unicorn milk over one of them.

Hill throws for longer completions and has a 10% higher conversion rate.

Season
Completion%
%71.6 Hill
%73.5 - Brees

Three game averages for both QBs
Touchdown Average Passing or rushing
6- Hill (4 rushing/2 passing)
7- Brees (7 passing)

Average Completed Air yards
6.6 Hill
4.9 Brees

Ave 1st downs
22 - Hill
22.3 - Brees

Drives ending without a score
7 - Hill
5.66 - Brees

Offensive 3rd down conversion rate
%44.19 Top 9 in the league - Last 3 games (Hill)
%33.33 Six lowest conversion rate in the league - Previous 3 games (Brees)

I wont answer your last question, you are just being silly. You can ride your painted pony but it doesn't make the Ferris wheel spin.

I never said Drew Brees was bad but a stats comparison vs going with the hot hand is not as clear for most as it is for you.

AsylumGuido · 12-08-2020, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

That is some extremely heavy rationalization supported by vagueness and your opinion. The stats do not show Drew's clear dominance in the areas you have mentioned, if anything there is no clear leader, if I removed the names and titled these QB A/B preseason stats you wouldn't be so unicorn milk over one of them.

Hill throws for longer completions and has a 10% higher conversion rate.

Season
Completion%
%71.6 Hill
%73.5 - Brees

Three game averages for both QBs
Touchdown Average Passing or rushing
6- Hill (4 rushing/2 passing)
7- Brees (7 passing)

Average Completed Air yards
6.6 Hill
4.9 Brees

Ave 1st downs
22 - Hill
22.3 - Brees

Drives ending without a score
7 - Hill
5.66 - Brees

Offensive 3rd down conversion rate
%44.19 Top 9 in the league - Last 3 games (Hill)
%33.33 Six lowest conversion rate in the league - Previous 3 games (Brees)

I wont answer your last question, you are just being silly. You can ride your painted pony but it doesn't make the Ferris wheel spin.

I never said Drew Brees was bad but a stats comparison vs going with the hot hand is not as clear for most as it is for you.

Don't forget that Hill also faced the league's 26th ranked defense (Falcons) two of the three games. And a team with no QB in the other.

Brees had five games against top 11 defenses in the NFL (Tampa Bay - twice, Packers, Chargers, 49er's) in his nine starts. Most of Brees' season also came without the luxury of having Michael Thomas. Two of those games he was also missing Emmanuel Sanders.

Taysom has done a commendable job, but I doubt any coach out there would consider using him as a starter when you have Brees available.

12-07-2020, 04:57 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints @ Falcons Game Day Thread Originally Posted by TheOak Ummm Guido. Are you seriously rationalizing dink and dunk as though it has some hidden value? Sean Payton grabbed a sharpie, stood at the board, then proceeded to drive a collaborative effort to get the dink and dunk going? Not defense, but rather short passes under the sticks are what wins championships? Sorry brother, that’s what you are trying to sell lol. Both QBs create unique but different challenges for defenses. Brees doesn't only "dink and dunk". I was addressing the supposition that "dink and dunk" is all Brees can provide. I was saying that Brees can control the clock by hitting multiple receivers as well as anyone in history and that is something that Hill has struggled with. And, yes, spreading it around, using the pass as an extension of the run while mixing in the run is a winning formula. And where did I say defense isn't vital? Can't find that anywhere.

12-08-2020, 06:50 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Saints @ Falcons Game Day Thread Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Brees doesn't only "dink and dunk". I was addressing the supposition that "dink and dunk" is all Brees can provide. I was saying that Brees can control the clock by hitting multiple receivers as well as anyone in history and that is something that Hill has struggled with. And, yes, spreading it around, using the pass as an extension of the run while mixing in the run is a winning formula. And where did I say defense isn't vital? Can't find that anywhere. That is some extremely heavy rationalization supported by vagueness and your opinion. The stats do not show Drew's clear dominance in the areas you have mentioned, if anything there is no clear leader, if I removed the names and titled these QB A/B preseason stats you wouldn't be so unicorn milk over one of them. Hill throws for longer completions and has a 10% higher conversion rate. Season Completion% %71.6 Hill %73.5 - Brees Three game averages for both QBs Touchdown Average Passing or rushing 6- Hill (4 rushing/2 passing) 7- Brees (7 passing) Average Completed Air yards 6.6 Hill 4.9 Brees Ave 1st downs 22 - Hill 22.3 - Brees Drives ending without a score 7 - Hill 5.66 - Brees Offensive 3rd down conversion rate %44.19 Top 9 in the league - Last 3 games (Hill) %33.33 Six lowest conversion rate in the league - Previous 3 games (Brees) I wont answer your last question, you are just being silly. You can ride your painted pony but it doesn't make the Ferris wheel spin. I never said Drew Brees was bad but a stats comparison vs going with the hot hand is not as clear for most as it is for you.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

12-08-2020, 08:53 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints @ Falcons Game Day Thread Originally Posted by TheOak That is some extremely heavy rationalization supported by vagueness and your opinion. The stats do not show Drew's clear dominance in the areas you have mentioned, if anything there is no clear leader, if I removed the names and titled these QB A/B preseason stats you wouldn't be so unicorn milk over one of them. Hill throws for longer completions and has a 10% higher conversion rate. Season Completion% %71.6 Hill %73.5 - Brees Three game averages for both QBs Touchdown Average Passing or rushing 6- Hill (4 rushing/2 passing) 7- Brees (7 passing) Average Completed Air yards 6.6 Hill 4.9 Brees Ave 1st downs 22 - Hill 22.3 - Brees Drives ending without a score 7 - Hill 5.66 - Brees Offensive 3rd down conversion rate %44.19 Top 9 in the league - Last 3 games (Hill) %33.33 Six lowest conversion rate in the league - Previous 3 games (Brees) I wont answer your last question, you are just being silly. You can ride your painted pony but it doesn't make the Ferris wheel spin. I never said Drew Brees was bad but a stats comparison vs going with the hot hand is not as clear for most as it is for you. Don't forget that Hill also faced the league's 26th ranked defense (Falcons) two of the three games. And a team with no QB in the other. Brees had five games against top 11 defenses in the NFL (Tampa Bay - twice, Packers, Chargers, 49er's) in his nine starts. Most of Brees' season also came without the luxury of having Michael Thomas. Two of those games he was also missing Emmanuel Sanders. Taysom has done a commendable job, but I doubt any coach out there would consider using him as a starter when you have Brees available.