Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 908796)

He's far outperformed Davenport.

Extend TRex and lose/trade Davenport.

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 908811)

Sacks aren't the only stat that defines a good DE. Y'all are really under evaluating what Davenport is doing on the field. Yes, it may have looked like he lost containment on one play but that play was an option so their should have been a LB or safety playing coverage on the player receiving the option. Davenport was in between Mahomes and Bell and actually turned Mahomes inside which was correct but Mahomes then optioned to Bell. Someone else missed their assignment and Davenport was stuck on which player he needed to defend but he technically played it correct just needed help and it looked like PJ was late in coming over.

Originally Posted by Rsanders24 (Post 908823)

Our defense completely turned around when we finally got Davenport playing. Trey is a speed rusher but definitely struggles setting the edge against the run. Hopefully we can figure out a way to bring him back though. I really starting to like Granderson as well.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 908825)

Plus, they get held ALL THE TIME!!! I thought trey was being choked on a couple plays.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 908830)

There are a lot of judo take downs going on against our D-line. The dang refs hate us and are selectively blind. :argue:

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 908841)

Is that because you think it’s harder to find a good corner Major ?

Originally Posted by papz (Post 908843)

If we keep Lattimore, it's likely we'll have to pay him like he's a true #1 corner. But is he though?

His PFF grades:

2017 87.7 (ranked 8/97)
2018 71.7 (29 of 87)
2019 68.7 (32 of 97)
2020 51.9 (97 of 124)

Food for thought.

FYI, he graded out miserably versus KC last week.

Originally Posted by papz (Post 908843)

FYI, he graded out miserably versus KC last week.

Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 908847)

KC has a tendency to do that to just about every DB. Still think he gets signed over Trey, but hey all we need is a little Loomis magic...

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 908849)

Lattimore played well last Sunday.

Originally Posted by papz (Post 908857)

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.

So what about the rest of his consistently bad season?



Which is understandable if they're comp'ing him to the rest of his games. He sets a very high bar and his "average" when compared to other quarterbacks, is still better than the majority.



I'm ragging on Lattimore because I know we will likely re-sign him and it's going to take a lot of money to do so. He's been underachieving and we'll have to pay him like an elite corner out of necessity, not because he's is one.

Originally Posted by papz (Post 908857)

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.

So what about the rest of his consistently bad season?



Which is understandable if they're comp'ing him to the rest of his games. He sets a very high bar and his "average" when compared to other quarterbacks, is still better than the majority.



I'm ragging on Lattimore because I know we will likely re-sign him and it's going to take a lot of money to do so. He's been underachieving and we'll have to pay him like an elite corner out of necessity, not because he's is one.

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 908861)

Consistently bad? See Andrus Peat who got a big contract after statistically poor year end and year out not to mention he's always hurt. If Lattimore isn't re signed, Saints better have a damn good plan B for options at #1 CB.

Originally Posted by papz (Post 908869)

This is a weird tangent. Are you saying that since Peat was consistently bad and we paid him, that we should overpay for Lattimore too? And if we do decide to move on from Lattimore, which I'm not suggesting, I would also hope we have a good plan B as well.



Based on this season? Yea I don't know about that. We're a top ranked defense with Lattimore playing bad all season. On the second part of that, I honestly don't know how you can say that with a straight face.



Except he's not. He certainly has the talent to be one though. Lattimore should be what Jaire Alexander is as they have a similar physical style of play(with a higher pedigree)... but he's no where near that level. To be a little fair to Lattimore, he does have a daunting task facing top tier WRs every week. He might be a defacto number 1 but in reality, he's not. I'm not sure how you could justify that. His regression isn't something that just started this season.

No one would disagree how invaluable and critical having good corners are especially how unfavorable the rules are this day in age for physical corners. I'm just pointing out the facts. I am rooting for Lattimore to reach the level we all know he's capable of. We certainly need it if we don't want to get disappointed in the playoffs again. I don't know how much more I can take. I'm pretty thankful we have a very promising defense that has gotten me a little excited again.

I just wanted to say something about the KC game as well. I know what the score was and what the metrics say but with that said, I thought we played a pretty good game defensively. IMO we lost because of Mahomes, not because our defense played bad... if that makes sense.

Originally Posted by papz (Post 908869)

...I just wanted to say something about the KC game as well. I know what the score was and what the metrics say but with that said, I thought we played a pretty good game defensively. IMO we lost because of Mahomes, not because our defense played bad... if that makes sense.