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this is a discussion within the Poli-Sci Community Forum; Originally Posted by SmashMouth Understand and agree ... but how do you explain this? origins of the swastika The swastika symbol first appeared as art on a mammoth ivory in Russia in the Ukraine, in the Paleolithic Age 10.000 years ...
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Re: 2 Ejected From RNC
Originally Posted by SmashMouth
Yes and your point being? Swastikas are stille used mainly in asia as a symbol for luck etc. In the western world however it is closely connected to the holocaust and a symbol for genocide and racism.
Stars and the colours red and blue doesn't have to mean anything specific but aligned as the confederate battleflag it will raise a lot of emotions among a whole lot of people. |
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Re: 2 Ejected From RNC
Originally Posted by Crusader
And among a whole lot of other people it will conjure up a completely different set of emotions. It is not racist because a select group of people believe it to be so.
Every damn thing is racist. What? You didn't vote for the black man? You must be racist! What? The black man pulled out a gun and you shot him? You must be racist. What? You want to enforce control over voting to make sure only legal citizens actually get to vote? You must be a racist. What? You want to enforce strict control over welfare programs? You must be a racist. What? You think ESL schools hinder the progress of English Speakers? You must be racist. What? You don't want illegal immigrants leaching off social programs in the United States? You must be a racist. What? You think there are fundamental differences between cultures? You must be a racist. What? You think Tex-Mex is better than traditional Mexican food? You must be a racist. People need to freaking get over themselves and stop crying like 2nd graders. I kid you not. I was behind a woman in Wal Mart a few weeks ago. Her credit card was declined at the register. She said, and I quote, "this is some racist ****ing bull s h i t" as she stormed out with her 2 year old on her hip. Yep. Just another case of the white man bringing her down. |
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Re: 2 Ejected From RNC
Originally Posted by saintfan
I don't really get the point you are trying to make with your rambling in regards to my comments about the Confederate flag, I understand quite well how silly the stuff you mentioned is.
Slavery is always based on racism or some form of believed superiority over the people opressed. That is the foundation of such a system. It might be a percieved superiority by race, skin colour, language, religion or just power of force. The use of african slaves was based on a belief that black people were less beings than white people and therefore they could be used as forced labor. It doesn't matter if the US civil war was about money, slavery still became a huge part of it, especially since it was fought between slave states and non slave states. Eliminating slavery was a war goal for the North and vice versa and because of that the confederate flag is a symbol for slavery which is based on racism or some form of believed superiority. So I don't agree with you on this, people have all the right to get offended by that flag, since it was the symbol for a shortlived country which supported such a system. Its a little different when quite a large percentage of the population thinks it compared to if it was to be a couple of hundreds. Another example I could make is South Africa changing their flag after apartheid ended because the old flag were to connected to the old system. My highschool coach in Louisiana wouldn't let anybody wear anything with a Rebel flag, beltbuckles, t-shirts, hats, carflags etc since people thought it offensive. |
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Re: 2 Ejected From RNC
Originally Posted by Crusader
People have the 'right' to be offended by anything by which they chose to be offended. Absolutely. That doesn't mean that they are offended by a given thing is justified outside of what they themselves believe or interpret about the thing by which they are offended.
In the case of the Confederate flag, the reasons for which someone may chose to display it are secondary to the reasons for which some other person chooses to be offended by it? Someone's feelings on a subject trumps free speech? In America? Since when? This is a very recent and horribly unfortunate turn and the true racists are the ones using race as a means to their agenda's end. Consider it is legal for American's to burn our flag in protest - and I think I can say the burning of the flag is extremely offensive to most Americans. Still, in the name of free speech, it gets burned, and the burners could give a damn if I'm offended by it. Yet these same people demand that the Confederate flag not be on display - justified because they believe it to be racist - because THEY are offended by it. This is logical? Just because a person or even a group of people believe something to be racist shouldn't mean anything more than that group of people believes it. I have explained the history of that Flag to many a person of color, and reasonable people understand - but those who want to make it about 'racism' will do so regardless. That's the agenda, and America (and for that matter the world) is being overrun by them. Giving in to this race baiting is marketed as 'progress' but it is far FAR from it. Eliminating Slavery was indeed a war goal of the North, but not for humanitarian reasons, and I absolutely disagree that it doesn't matter. I have shown that the very leader of the charge believed himself to be superior to the black man. Oh it most definitely DOES matter. In the context of the ongoing debate it is essential to understand. No sir. The Confederate Flag is absolutely 100% without question NOT about nor does it represent Slavery. The true racists market it that way through their very deliberate misinformation campaign. They have no desire to understand. They refuse to even enter into the discussion. They won't hear it. They would likely be less offended or perhaps even not offended at all should they educate themselves. They refuse. They are only interested in furthering what is, without question, their own racist agenda. That's it. That's all. That's the beginning and the end of it. |
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Last edited by saintfan; 09-06-2012 at 11:37 AM.. |
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