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this is a discussion within the Poli-Sci Community Forum; And this is from a left leaning source ... Presidential Election Map 2012 - The Washington Post...
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Electoral map looking more precarious for Obama post convention.
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Re: Electoral map looking more precarious for Obama post convention.
The Republican voter supression efforts could pay off. They absolutely won't win it on their candidates and policies. Sad.
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Re: Electoral map looking more precarious for Obama post convention.
As everyone knows, I love a good debate. But in this case we have to recognize when we're dealing with someone who is only going to regurgitate their party's rhetoric word for word. That's not a debate. You can't have a meaningful discussion with someone who is brainwashes.
In cases like this - you know, completely lost causes - best to just move on. |
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Re: Electoral map looking more precarious for Obama post convention.
Originally Posted by saintfan
LOL. You are incapable of even considering a differing opinion than you own and I"M the partisan one. Only an idiot would not see what Republicans are doing in the swing states as anything less than voter suppression. Heck, they've even said as much on tape! I saw a member of Congress yesterday speaking as to how he would not currently qualify to vote in Pennsyvania because he no longer drives and his Congress ID doesn't have an expiration date. A MEMBER OF CONGRESS currently couldn't vote without paying the poll tax! You are one of the most blind partisan people I have ever seen. You just parrot the lies, spin, and bat-crap crazy theories Faux News throws out. Your idea of a debate reminds me of the first time I saw a "fair and balanced" roundtable "debate" on the election and candidates in 2000. Each "expert" could have easily said one word as they went around the table and it would have sounded the same. "The Republicans are the gospel and everyone else is evil." LOL. That's what I speak out against. I don't see the Democrats as the gospel like you see the Republicans. I see them as the lesser of the two evils. I believe when the Democrats error, it's on the side of the people. Republicans serve the 1%. I wish I had better choices from both parties. They both distract their bases with the unimportant fringe stuff and basically govern the same way. Bush spent like a drunken sailor. President Obama hasn't changed that trend. The only two possible major differences where I see that a McCain administration would have been different than the current one is the Afforable Care Act and the fact that under McCain we probably would have already been at War with Iran. I give the clear edge on both to the Democrats. Providing healthcare for all Americans and not getting us into another war we surely don't need. All of which I've said many times here. I speak out against your partianship because your world view is hopelessly flawed and frankly lacking any common sense. It's not possible for one of our two political parties to be correct 100% of the time and the other one to be wrong 100% of the time. Only an idiot would believe that. Both parties are bought and paid for. The lobbyists and the Super Pacs controls both sides of the isle. The system is the major problem. Until the system is changed, we can change politicians every cycle and basically get the same.
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Re: Electoral map looking more precarious for Obama post convention.
Originally Posted by Cruize
How many times am I going to have to tell you I don't watch Fox News? Why are you so hung up on that? Most of the things I follow begin on NPR for heaven's sake. I renounced my membership in the Republican party years ago. So now that THAT is out of the way...AGAIN (Do you even read what I post? Beyond the first sentence? Doesn't appear so.)
There is a BIG difference between "providing" and "mandating". This is not hard to grasp. You do however have to be willing. That is key to the discussion. You have to actually be willing to hear what people who disagree with you are saying. This is a major failure of yours sir. How can you recognize that both parties are "bought and paid for" and yet side so unilaterally with one or the other across the board? Can you not see the foolishness? I am for Term Limits. I am For Campaign Finance Reform (Massive Reform). I am for Tort Reform. I am for Freedom of Choice - CHOICE - in ALL things - NOT Government Mandates. I am for the Founding Principles. I am for the Constitution. I am for States Rights. I am neither Republican nor am I am Democrat. If you must categorize me, call me a Moderate Conservative. The things you're railing on and on about in your post above have exactly nothing to do with the problems our Country is facing. Obama care is merely a symptom. You have stated that you are for the Constitution. If this is truly so - and if in fact you know what the Constitution has to say on the matter, then you simply cannot possibly be for Obama care. Before you attack ME for your interpretation of Fox News again, I strongly recommend you do some reading in your free time. Rarely are you going to find me extending myself for a cause or a concern that I haven't at least begun to research...at least a little. If you would do a least a little open-minded research on your own we might have an equitable and beneficial discussion. Until you do I don't see the point in engaging you. Please have a nice day.
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Re: Electoral map looking more precarious for Obama post convention.
I'm a Reagan Conservative - no, not that watered down, big spending GW Bush stuff.
No choices this year, so I will be voting for the Democrat/RINO. Four years of Marxism is enough (not that I signed up for it to start with...) |
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This election depends on only one thing IMO - are there 50.1% of the people pulling the wagon or 50.1% of the people sitting on their duff riding in the wagon...
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